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[ICEFANG13]

Thontor, on 09 May 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

It's not about sample size, it's about a representative sample.

I could poll everyone in Wrigley Field, around 40 thousand, on what their favorite team is, Cubs or White Sox. Of course most of them are going to say the Cubs...

But if I poll 1,000 baseball fans people in Chicago as a whole, it'll likely be 50/50 Cubs/White Sox.

Does the fact that most of 40,000 people in Wrigley are Cubs fans and only 500 out of 1,000 baseball fans polled in Chicago are White Sox fans tell me that clearly the Cubs fans have the majority in the city as a whole?

Well I know 0% about sports so the comparison is a little wasted. I still get what you are trying to say. But then I will ask, if the forums are wrigley field (why are we against it overall?) where is Chicago and why do they want 3rd person?

[ICEFANG13]

But we don't really know how much of Chicago wants to play. I mean, if PGI does, and I can't see quite how, then adding it makes sense, and you think they would let us know. It seems more logical to try and grow and cultivate the people they know why and how much they play rather than people we don't know about.

I mean it does make sense, IF we introduce as many people as to not really split the community, and to give us back the players that have/will leave for 1st person, as 3rd person is against one of the design pillars, and I'm sure many people were angered.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

lol this thread has dissolved [Redacted]
DEFEND!!! DEFEND!!!

Edited by Niko Snow, 09 May 2013 - 03:25 PM.
Ad Hominem

[DeaconW]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 09 May 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Edited by Niko Snow, Today, 06:25 PM.

Yay! Niko is still reading this thread...there is hope!

[CyBerkut]

Jason Parker, on 06 May 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Haven't been in this discussion for quite a while. I am happy about the planned details that Bryan and Paul posted (locked to torso, no free look, reduced HUD elements, zoom in when approaching cover) as they will negate any potential advantage of 3rd over 1st person and thus negate the necessity for a player base split over perspective.

Hold on there. If you are referring to what was posted in the Original Post, don't get too happy just yet...

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

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One poster mentioned something that I thought was more than fair. List some of the ideas we've been toying with in order for it to work. These are just SOME of the ideas we've been discussing:

• Camera is locked horizontally to the torso. This is not a peek around corners mode.
  
• Camera is locked vertically to the torso, you can only look up and down as far as your torso can.
  
• When approaching cover (to rocks/building etc), the camera pulls IN so FoV is greatly reduced when standing close to something.
  
• 3rd Person is not a free-cam.
  
• HUD will be significantly reduced if not completely removed.
  
• LOS targetting is NOT affected by 3rd person. If you cannot target it from 1st person, you cannot target it in 3rd.
  
• ONLY the targeted enemy (Press R) can be identified in 3rd person... all other HUD indicators are turned off.

Again, these are a few of the ideas we're working on. Please keep that in mind when posting.

That's a big difference from "planned details". The fact is, at this point, we still don't know what they are going to do, or how well it will work for mixed POV. I don't bring this up to slam Jason Parker. We just need to avoid things getting represented incorrectly, as other people see the latter post(s) and then run with that belief.

I still maintain that if PGI wants to bring 3PV into Community Warfare, then they need to give the 3PV'ers their own CW universe. Give them their own EOL too.

I'm far less concerned about the player base being "split", than about the fairness and substance of play. The NBT league worked just fine on 1PV only play, and I see no reason to suspect that a 1PV CW universe would have too few players here either. PGI seems to think that 3PV is going to bring in a grunch of players, so the 3PV CW should be able to stand on its own, too.

Even if PGI manages to handicap the 3PV mode sufficiently to negate that mode having an overwhelming advantage (which hardly seems like that is going to fly too well with many of the advocates of 3PV that I've seen in the forums), it will still alter the substance of play. If 1PV players are not able to totally avoid ever having to play against 3PV players, I doubt that this game will continue to hold enough interest for me to spend any more dollars on it.

[Void Angel]

DeaconW, on 09 May 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Yay! Niko is still reading this thread...there is hope!

He's got more patience than I would.

[Warge]

I'd like to see option of 3rd PV as it's done in Mount&Blade: as long as u stand - u can freelook your character with mouse. If u move - camera returns to 1st PV. It's not exactly 3rd PV as some people demand, but still - I like to see this feature.

[Mystere]

Back from a self-imposed exile (and injury on left hand).

We're already at page 80 and people still do not understand, or simply refuse to understand, what this thread is NOT about:

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

This is not the place to say you dislike 3rd person.

As such, if you insist on having a fit about 3PV, do it somewhere else because you're doing it wrong!

As for 3PV itself, I'll reserve judgement until I see it and get more details.

[Dishevel]

Mystere, on 10 May 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

As such, if you insist on having a fit about 3PV, do it somewhere else because you're doing it wrong!

Ok. Where are we allowed to have this conversation on the General Discussion Less forums?

[Terran123rd]

Dishevel, on 10 May 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Ok. Where are we allowed to have this conversation on the General Discussion Less forums?

You know, the ComStar Focus Group section sounds suspiciously like a General section if you ask me.

[EvilCow]

Probably the discussion should go in the same thread with those 5000 "NO to 3PV" votes.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mystere, on 10 May 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

Back from a self-imposed exile (and injury on left hand).

We're already at page 80 and people still do not understand, or simply refuse to understand, what this thread is NOT about:


As such, if you insist on having a fit about 3PV, do it somewhere else because you're doing it wrong!

As for 3PV itself, I'll reserve judgement until I see it and get more details.

This thread is funny now because theyre taking advice in the UI 2.0 thread. But for THIS topic, they refuse to take our advice because they know what the silent majority want and its not what us few forumites want.

Terran123rd, on 10 May 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

You know, the ComStar Focus Group section sounds suspiciously like a General section if you ask me.

Damn I cant spell general discussion as COMSTAR FOCUS GROUP
Thats some dyslexic hell you got going there

EvilCow, on 10 May 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

Probably the discussion should go in the same thread with those 5000 "NO to 3PV" votes.

ah the one the mods broke then locked and pointed here you mean?

[Void Angel]

So... what? Will you give them constructive feedback about how you want 3rd person implemented, and have some say? Or will you cry about it endlessly and troll, babbling on about forum polls and how mean PGI is for taking an action you don't like? Put on your grownup pants or don't - but understand that you're making a decision between whining irrelevancy and some amount of influence.

I no longer care. /unfollow.

[Dishevel]

Terran123rd, on 10 May 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

You know, the ComStar Focus Group section sounds suspiciously like a General section if you ask me.

Awesome!
Now. Can you tell me how to get around that little issue that prevents forum members from making a new thread in there?
So?
Ohh.

Nothing?

So ... Your suggestion is to ???

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Void Angel, on 10 May 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

So... what? Will you give them constructive feedback about how you want 3rd person implemented, and have some say? Or will you cry about it endlessly and troll, babbling on about forum polls and how mean PGI is for taking an action you don't like? Put on your grownup pants or don't - but understand that you're making a decision between whining irrelevancy and some amount of influence.

I no longer care. /unfollow.

I have the perfect reply as its about the right age level

[Atheus]

Void Angel, on 10 May 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

So... what? Will you give them constructive feedback about how you want 3rd person implemented, and have some say? Or will you cry about it endlessly and troll, babbling on about forum polls and how mean PGI is for taking an action you don't like? Put on your grownup pants or don't - but understand that you're making a decision between whining irrelevancy and some amount of influence.

I no longer care. /unfollow.

Yes, yes of course. Whiners gonna whine.

It's like when they say hey we're going to cut off some of your fingers to please the audience, so... how do you want to go about doing this? We can go with four fingers, or one thumb. Should we use the hammer and chisel, or maybe some pruning shears or we could go with a wood saw?

A real man wouldn't whine about it! Never mind that nobody has ever proffered anything concrete to support the notion that 3PV would yield any increased revenue. Pick your poison!

[Hotthedd]

Needs a poll.

[ICEFANG13]

Its not needed, everyone knows the forum hates 3rd person view, and this thread isn't about if it should be, its about how it should be (yaaaayy.......).

[necromechro]

I do not want it, and i will stop playing if 3rd person becomes an issue that messes with the fundementals of a the game, which means me not buying any more MC

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

necromechro, on 12 May 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

I do not want it

they dont care

Quote

i will stop playing

They dont care, you will be replaced
(they hope)