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[JadePanther]

Raven 3L's and how they are still OP used in lance tactics...

3 of these mechs together are still just too damned powerful... What kind of tweaks are they gettin in the works?

engine limits? torso twist reduction? Turn speed reduction?

Hit them across the board nice and good like the cats.. They've worn out their welcome at too fast a pace..

[MonkeyCheese]

Streaks just got a nerf with the hotfix, ravens donst seem to instakill with streaks anymore.

I hope it lasts.

[KuruptU4Fun]

JadePanther, on 21 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Raven 3L's and how they are still OP used in lance tactics...

3 of these mechs together are still just too damned powerful... What kind of tweaks are they gettin in the works?

engine limits? torso twist reduction? Turn speed reduction?

Hit them across the board nice and good like the cats.. They've worn out their welcome at too fast a pace..

The problem you mention only has 1 part you can't nerf, teamwork. Odds are it's thru third party comms., but it's something you're never going to nerf...

[Soltastic]

3 of any mech focusing on you is powerful....

[BloodGhost]

MonkeyCheese, on 21 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Streaks just got a nerf with the hotfix, ravens donst seem to instakill with streaks anymore.

I hope it lasts.

Jupp, they take quite a while to wreck you now. Seems nice, and I feel less dirty (only a little bit) for playing the 3L.

KuruptU4Fun, on 21 March 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

The problem you mention only has 1 part you can't nerf, teamwork. Odds are it's thru third party comms., but it's something you're never going to nerf...

It's more than that. Teamwork will always be a huge factor for success. But the existing problems have more causes.

1. It's easier to hit ravens, but their hitboxes are still weird. They spread the damage around far too much. It's very hard to only hit one section, completely unlike the Jenner for example.

2. ELO matchmaking. Starting without light mechs in PUBs is a pain if the enemy has a few. You are unlikely to kill them fast enough, giving your enemy team a lot of time to wreck you. You focus on the heavier enemies, lights will cap or needle you to death.

[Ph30nix]

JadePanther, on 21 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Raven 3L's and how they are still OP used in lance tactics...

3 of these mechs together are still just too damned powerful... What kind of tweaks are they gettin in the works?

engine limits? torso twist reduction? Turn speed reduction?

Hit them across the board nice and good like the cats.. They've worn out their welcome at too fast a pace..

so your saying you want to be able to single handedly fight 3 mechs at a time and win easily?

no

[Voridan Atreides]

Just played for like an hour after patching the new patch. I was pleasantly surprised how little 3Ls I saw.

[Fishbulb333]

I've seen 3 raven 3L's in the last 10 games, killed 2 of them, with a jenner. No further nerfs required imho, if anything they're a little weak now, especially if ECM and/or streaks get rebalanced...

[Noobzorz]

JadePanther, on 21 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Raven 3L's and how they are still OP used in lance tactics...

3 of these mechs together are still just too damned powerful... What kind of tweaks are they gettin in the works?

engine limits? torso twist reduction? Turn speed reduction?

Hit them across the board nice and good like the cats.. They've worn out their welcome at too fast a pace..

Actually, the SRM nerf hits 3Ls pretty hard.

But really, LRMs was a way more serious and important issue. Fixing that was good for the community size, the gameplay, the game balance, and just about everything except for the moods of people who have been using them as a crutch (and be honest with yourselves; did it really take a lot of skill to effectively use LRMs? I've used them too, and the answer is no.)

[deforce]

JadePanther, on 21 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Raven 3L's and how they are still OP used in lance tactics...

3 of these mechs together are still just too damned powerful... What kind of tweaks are they gettin in the works?

engine limits? torso twist reduction? Turn speed reduction?

Hit them across the board nice and good like the cats.. They've worn out their welcome at too fast a pace..

OH NOES.... TACTICS are soooo OP.


tactics= the new cheese?

[Commander Kobold]

Raven 3L "quirk" can only twist 40 degrees each direction

[Skaroth]

Omni 13, on 21 March 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

Raven 3L "quirk" can only twist 40 degrees each direction

How about... can't shoot streaks 150 degrees from where they are facing, maybe 50 degrees.

[FupDup]

JadePanther, on 21 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Hit them across the board nice and good like the cats.. They've worn out their welcome at too fast a pace..

The only Raven that needs adjustment is the 3L, and that mech's issues are the result of "cheese convergence" (putting a bunch of obnoxious items like ECM, Streaks, and large engines into one neat little package).

The 2X and 4X need a buff if anything.

[Tennex]

lets look at ECM first.

the 3L was NEVER OP before this was implemented

[Zaptruder]

3Ls are still powerful, but now very manageable since their hey day as premier supermech.

Let's see...

ECM has been slightly nerfed with PPC temp cancelling it, and with buffs to advanced sensor range allowing target and detection of ECM upto 250m (from 200m).

Streaks have been hit with latest patch; significantly less damage than before.

HSR has made them vunerable to lasers from the vast majority of players.

Leg hitboxes have been made larger, allowing them to be legged with greater consistency.


It's not a terrible thing if 3L's are still in the the top tier of lights once all is said and done; after all, something needs to be there, and why not a mech that is blessed with good equipment and hard points (through the canon build)? Of course the point is, it needs to be viable to run other lights, and close the gap between them somewhat.

Quirk tweaks is a good way of rebalancing mechs; I've since come to like my Centurions a fair amount given their increased maneuverability.

For the 3L, it could stand to have a smaller max engine size (precedent has been set with Awesomes receiving larger engine sizes). Reduce turn speed and torso twist.

The 2X and 4X similarly could see a buff to max engine size (inline with the nerfed 3L, so that all 3 ravens can max to the same speed), and increased maneuverability and agility befitting mechs without access to ECM.

It won't make 3L worthless, nor will it make the 2X/4X top tier; it'll just even out the experience of owning these ravens, and make it so that the 2X/4X aren't just painful speedhumps on the way to speed tweaking the 3L.

[Tarrasque]

I'll say this - I watched my team go down 5-0 quite quickly, only to end up winning 5-8 in the end, because of 3 Raven 3Ls who claimed they were not on comms.

There's no way you're telling me that any other mech would be able to do the same thing. We would have won by cap if they wanted to, they just wanted the XP for the kills.

[Texas Merc]

deforce, on 21 March 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

OH NOES.... TACTICS are soooo OP.


tactics= the new cheese?

3 ravens grouped on comms dropping in 4 man queue is trolling at the moment. Even before hotfix of missiles and after they changed hitboxes.

Saying anything otherwise means you are defending a crutch.

[Commander Kobold]

Tennex, on 21 March 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

lets look at ECM first.

the 3L was NEVER OP before this was implemented

most of the Cats where fine too, I don't see why the 3L should get any special treatment from the nerf bat

[Jacmac]

The problem I have with these complaints is that there will always be some mech that players feel like they are getting r4ped by. You want to complain about a particular weapon? Fine, but don't play it off like you won't be crying about some other mech if they nerfed the crap out of Raven 3Ls. Before ECM there were boatloads of threads about how OP Jenners were, haven't seen anyone complain about Jenners since ECM. It wasn't long ago that people were complaining about Trollmando's. It'll never end, so just get over it.

Edited by Jacmac, 21 March 2013 - 08:19 PM.

[Gaan Cathal]

Tarrasque, on 21 March 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

I'll say this - I watched my team go down 5-0 quite quickly, only to end up winning 5-8 in the end, because of 3 Raven 3Ls who claimed they were not on comms.

There's no way you're telling me that any other mech would be able to do the same thing. We would have won by cap if they wanted to, they just wanted the XP for the kills.

With the missile changes? Three 6MLAS Jenners with the right pilots could do that. I've seen similar things pulled off. Good light pilots can work together without comms (not that they can't work better with).