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[ninjaphobos]

zverofaust, on 21 March 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

You don't need an auto-homing instakill 360 noscope headshot smartbullet to kill someone in CoD, but if they sold those for real money, it'd be P2W.

General consensus however is that the modules are pretty meh anyway and barely worth the effort even if I was drowning in GXP.

Wow...you win...I just got trolled hard. *smh*

[Vermaxx]

armyof1, on 21 March 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

I don't get how you can have that much mech XP and so little GXP, as I believe GXP is 5% of mech XP. So the 65K mech XP you've earned on your favorite variant, should already have earned you 3250 GXP. If you haven't bought any Pilot Skills yet you must have wasted GXP to level your mechs, which is a huge waste.

Unless he had a series of mech where he hated one or two of the variants. That is not excessively uncommon.

Nothing is a "waste" if the player got what they wanted. I'm sitting on 110k GXP, I bought Advanced Zoom and hated it and they won't refund me. I auto leveled the Raven 4x because I AM NOT RUNNING A SUBSTANDARD, MACHINE GUN MECH, TO MAKE A PREFERRED MECH ELITE.

I don't often agree with Zvero, he's petulant and argumentative, but he's right. IF these modules were anywhere near "frequently useful" the argument of P2W would be applicable. Yes, you can get them without paying. In about one year of nonpremium play time. Personally I think using GXP for MODULES is a waste when you could spend it on speed leveling a mech you don't like.

Zvero also had no premium time or MC, so he's doing things the hard way. I didn't really convert much XP before the sale, and then I dumped in about 2000 MC. That is where almost all of my GXP came from.

[xhrit]

One time I accidentally spent 10k gxp unlocking basic skills on a mech.

Vermaxx, on 21 March 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

I auto leveled the Raven 4x because I AM NOT RUNNING A SUBSTANDARD, MACHINE GUN MECH, TO MAKE A PREFERRED MECH ELITE.

There are no substandard mechs, only substandard pilots.

Edited by xhrit, 21 March 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[Vermaxx]

He also knows how to speed it up, and how cheap it is to speed it up. Say what you want about zvero, but he had the standards to demand PGI give his money back after they changed 'how things work' on us a few times.

Most people just ate it. He called them on the carpet and got his money back. While everyone else here posts and whines and threatens not to buy...he has never given them a penny and continues to use resources. I at least respect him for being difficult to prove his positions.

[Gaan Cathal]

Vermaxx, on 21 March 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

I don't often agree with Zvero, he's petulant and argumentative, but he's right. IF these modules were anywhere near "frequently useful" the argument of P2W would be applicable. Yes, you can get them without paying. In about one year of nonpremium play time. Personally I think using GXP for MODULES is a waste when you could spend it on speed leveling a mech you don't like.

The 360 Target Retention and Target Decay modules have quite a lot of influence on how potent SSRM-based lights (chiefly the -3L and -2D) could be until the last patch. They're how you fire streaks out your exhaust pipe, principally, and prevent hostile lights cover-dipping to lockbreak.

[Vermaxx]

xhrit, on 21 March 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

One time I accidentally spent 10k gxp unlocking basic skills on a mech.



There are no substandard mechs, only substandard pilots.

That's deep. And bullshart. A mech with two ballistics slots and insufficient size to mount two AC2 is a substandard mech. Particularly when the other two in the series have at least three energy each. Just like my Hunch 4G, but at least it had room for three AC2.

[Vermaxx]

Gaan Cathal, on 21 March 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

The 360 Target Retention and Target Decay modules have quite a lot of influence on how potent SSRM-based lights (chiefly the -3L and -2D) could be until the last patch. They're how you fire streaks out your exhaust pipe, principally, and prevent hostile lights cover-dipping to lockbreak.

Interesting to know, however I've got a Raven 3L, I've been involved in my share of enemystomping and generally making the Raven 3L hated, and I've never bought either module. Those are also two of the very short list of 'yeeeah probably useful' modules. You can still happily ignore the module system and not mind.

You can kind of ignore the entire XP system if you really wanted to, but there's no drawback to Mech trees.

[armyof1]

Vermaxx, on 21 March 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

Unless he had a series of mech where he hated one or two of the variants. That is not excessively uncommon.

Nothing is a "waste" if the player got what they wanted. I'm sitting on 110k GXP, I bought Advanced Zoom and hated it and they won't refund me. I auto leveled the Raven 4x because I AM NOT RUNNING A SUBSTANDARD, MACHINE GUN MECH, TO MAKE A PREFERRED MECH ELITE.

I don't often agree with Zvero, he's petulant and argumentative, but he's right. IF these modules were anywhere near "frequently useful" the argument of P2W would be applicable. Yes, you can get them without paying. In about one year of nonpremium play time. Personally I think using GXP for MODULES is a waste when you could spend it on speed leveling a mech you don't like.

Zvero also had no premium time or MC, so he's doing things the hard way. I didn't really convert much XP before the sale, and then I dumped in about 2000 MC. That is where almost all of my GXP came from.

Using GXP, which are worth 20x the time compared to regular mech XP, to just level up mechs I really can't see as anything but a waste. Especially since we have no idea what GXP can be used for in the future. We've recently been told about airstrike/artillery upgrade, and what else might come we just don't know. It's way better to save up GXP to secure whatever future upgrades.

[Redmond Spiderhammer]

zverofaust, on 21 March 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

It just dawned on me as I explored through the launcher that there's a "Pilot Tree" section.

Inside this section, players can unlock skills for their pilot that give them access to a number of different modules -- for GXP.

The primary method of obtaining GXP is by converting Mech XP to GXP using MC. For example, I currently have >65,000 Mech XP on my favorite variant, but only 2,000 GXP.

This means that things like Advanced Zoom, Target Decay, 360 Targeting, Capture Acceleration, Sensor Range, Target Info boost and Coolant Flush boosts are all unavailable to me unless I pay real money for them (or spend the next 3 years playing the game every day until I can afford one or two).

So... how exactly is this not P2W?

This topic pretty much has to be a troll... but whatever..

In simple terms pay to win describes a situation where advantages are available for money that are NOT earnab;e through standard gameplay. Sorry this issue clearly doesn't qualify. Buying GXP in exchange for mxp + MC is a convenience but does not open up any new doors that aren't available without spending a dime.

[Moromillas]

Because you can get the pilot tree unlocks and the modules without having to pay for anything. Or, you can use some MC, the same as it were for buying Mechs with MC.

It's not pay to win.

[Sean von Steinike]

-yawn-

[p00k]

was about to post about how OP is an ***** and completely wrong and why converting isn't the main way to get gxp and this and that and whatnot

then i saw this is a zverofaust thread, and realized no more needed to be said

[PANZERBUNNY]

Next we'll hear people complain about "Play 2 Win". Having to actually play the game to advance and gain equipment to compete and get the full experience.

/yawn.

[LarkinOmega]

Not P2Win, not even hard to get.

I only recently (this weekend) cashed in my 2 days of Free Premium Time. This is the first time I've had premium, it was rather nice. Been playing since Open Beta started with just a regular account, spending $15 worth of MC on mech bays.

I've unlocked all the modules (and upgrades) except for Capture Accelerator and the new Coolant based ones. Tell me again how hard they are to get, and how much you have to pay to get them.

[Davers]

zverofaust, on 20 March 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

I personally have been impressed with a lot of the moves and decisions you've made over the past couple of months; the introduction of consumable "strategic" assets, coolant flush and 3rd person view, among others, is finally showing you're willing and able to step out of the comfort zone of watered down "safe bet" gameplay design and are beginning to think outside the box.

zverofaust, on 21 March 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

It just dawned on me as I explored through the launcher that there's a "Pilot Tree" section.
This means that things like Advanced Zoom, Target Decay, 360 Targeting, Capture Acceleration, Sensor Range, Target Info boost and Coolant Flush boosts are all unavailable to me unless I pay real money for them (or spend the next 3 years playing the game every day until I can afford one or two).

So... how exactly is this not P2W?

So you supported Coolant Flush without even knowing what it was? LOL Bad troll post.

[Cifrer]

Not P2W. GXP isn't that hard to earn. Pay for convenience sure.

[IceCase88]

Let's keep this simple. The pilot tree is not P2W because of the following.

GXP is earned by playing matches. The game is F2P meaning you do not have to pay for matches. Since you are earning GXP by playing for free it is not P2W. If tou use money to convert XP to GXP it is still not P2W. It is pay for convenience or P4C. Thank you for your time. The thread can now be closed since the topic has been explained.

[Rageius]

I unlocked both levels of Increased Sensors with GXP earned solely from playing matches, and don't even bother to equip it. It's 2-Mil per Mech that in all honesty doesn't do much for random games anyways. If anything, the pilot tree is lackluster.

[8Ball-]

Just buy one and move it from mech to mech.

[El Bandito]

Advanced sensor is the only module I need for the most part.

I love spotting for my mates. 2500 C-Bills multiple times in a match? Yes pls.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 March 2013 - 10:52 PM.