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[Livebait]

I agree OP. They got 120 bucks from me and that's it. They are doing a money grab because their product stinks. They refuse to fix broken crap and just focus on how to get money from people. FU PGI, fix your game then we'll talk about money.

[Tekadept]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

The FACT is most of you Founders and spenders have already peaked your expenditures in this game. Your in-game wallet is fat with hundreds of millions of C-bills, you've bought all the MC-exclusive crap you'll ever want, and PGI's income is probably at this stage bottoming out to levels not seen since closed beta. This certainly doesn't apply to every single one of you, but I'm willing to bet it applies to the majority of you.

Frankly put, the reason PGI isn't listening to you is because you already stopped spending money, and they need to exponentially increase their sources of income.

You really didnt read did you? I personally said i will be around 50-100 buying all the crap but thats ok, you tell me ive spent all im going to...

You should have gone to specsavers.

[Syllogy]

Dishevel, on 22 March 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Sounds like they are willing to ruin the game for the people who care about MW/BT IP to placate the ones that have never heard of it.

You prove to me with quantifiable facts that the game is being ruined, and I will cease support.

Until then, the surest way to kill the franchise is to post demoralizing, destructive junk like "I'm quitting!" and "I refuse to spend money!"

These don't just affect MWO, they affect the entire Battletech franchise.

[MrPenguin]

Man, I'm getting flashbacks of the old L4D2 boycott...

[zverofaust]

Tekadept, on 22 March 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

You really didnt read did you? I personally said i will be around 50-100 buying all the crap but thats ok, you tell me ive spent all im going to...

You should have gone to specsavers.

Yep, I'm the one who didn't read.

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This certainly doesn't apply to every single one of you, but I'm willing to bet it applies to the majority of you.

[Nonsequitur]

I think a lot of Founders would agree with me when I say that most of us spent money on MWO because of the initial promises that they made. Now that PGI/IGP has the base and the momentum to get up and go, we, the Founders, are no longer the "demographic we're interested in".

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

The FACT is most of you Founders and spenders have already peaked your expenditures in this game. Your in-game wallet is fat with hundreds of millions of C-bills, you've bought all the MC-exclusive crap you'll ever want, and PGI's income is probably at this stage bottoming out to levels not seen since closed beta. This certainly doesn't apply to every single one of you, but I'm willing to bet it applies to the majority of you.

Frankly put, the reason PGI isn't listening to you is because you already stopped spending money, and they need to exponentially increase their sources of income.

I've only spent a small amount of what I would spend on a game that I like. EvE Online is a game that I've played for almost 10 years and spent thousands on it. I was hoping that MWO would be such a game for me but unfortunately it's taken a turn for the worst.

[Syllogy]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Frankly put, the reason PGI isn't listening to you is because you already stopped spending money, and they need to exponentially increase their sources of income.

Or, (here's the brainbuster) you aren't the main source of income!

Edited by Syllogy, 22 March 2013 - 07:31 AM.

[Ignatz22]

Syllogy, on 22 March 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

Meh... I guess I'll just have to step up my investment in PGI to cover for you.

Another $200 in MC per month oughta more than cover your lack of contributions.

Be my guest; I supported the developers and defended them in the forums until the Third Person controversy came to ahead the night before last. I never threatened to leave, just asked for a clarification of their upcoming game design, as I felt adding third person would split the player base and take resources from the work yet to be done on first person beta.
We were told it would happen in Training Ground Only. Then it would happen but be an option, so if only half the players want it, half the players have opted out of first person games and vice versa, SPLITTING THE AVAILABLE PLAYER BASE. Most insulting of all was the comment that the developers didn't care how the "core" gamers feel, because they have their support, so they are looking to placate those who DO NOT SUPPORT or PLAY the game.
Best of luck. Remember not to trust any promises made or take any diluted coolant flushes!

[Phalanx100bc]

OK...3P is coming...will it be an exploitable cheat in only FirstP games? I hope not.

As people who love this franchise and support it with real money, it behooves us to let PGI know in a constructive and adult manner that we are not happy as paying consumers, the direction PGI takes on some aspects of the game.

Remember PGI/Pirahna is doing this to make money....not because they like us.

If getting traction from the DEVS on game development/issues means stopping thier revenue flow on a micro and macro level....well.

I'm still hopeful and full disclosure I bought 6,500MC just a few days ago. That may be all for the near future though.

Edited by Phalanx100bc, 22 March 2013 - 07:34 AM.

[Nonsequitur]

Syllogy, on 22 March 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

You prove to me with quantifiable facts that the game is being ruined, and I will cease support.

Until then, the surest way to kill the franchise is to post demoralizing, destructive junk like "I'm quitting!" and "I refuse to spend money!"

These don't just affect MWO, they affect the entire Battletech franchise.

They're not doing Battletech anymore. It's going the way of the Gundam... LoL

[Sephlock]

Tabrias07, on 22 March 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

Same here, I've only spent $75 on this, but I was planning to get another $30 MC this week. Not anymore.

I've also bought into the $20 founders for MW:T, but that's even worse than this is.

You should inquire about a founder's time activation button like we have in MW:O. If enough people do, we might get one.

[Mycrus]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Frankly put, the reason PGI isn't listening to you is because you already stopped spending money, and they need to exponentially increase their sources of income.

ahem...

i spent a bomb on my rig and i spend a bomb on games every month...





PGI -- i've sent a support ticket to Greenpeace... you are killing all your WHALES

[Whompity]

Nonsequitur, on 22 March 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

I think a lot of Founders would agree with me when I say that most of us spent money on MWO because of the initial promises that they made. Now that PGI/IGP has the base and the momentum to get up and go, we, the Founders, are no longer the "demographic we're interested in".

That's marketing and capitalism, for you. Saturate one market, then move to the next. It's nothing new or particularly sinister. It's how companies make money.

In hindsight, pouring $120 into a game that you hadn't seen much of yet seems a bit... unwise, but hindsight IS 20/20. I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same... I originally assumed the game would have significant CW (along with extensive out-of-cockpit RP). I'm glad I didn't plunk down a big chunk of cash based on that, but I have spent about $100 since, which probably more than I've put into any other online game in the span of 3 months. I'm still satisfied, so far, though. If it stops being fun, I'll stop giving them money.

I can understand why founders might be upset given their initial purchase, but frankly, I think it should be viewed as a gamble that some won and some lost.

[zverofaust]

Nonsequitur, on 22 March 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

I've only spent a small amount of what I would spend on a game that I like. EvE Online is a game that I've played for almost 10 years and spent thousands on it. I was hoping that MWO would be such a game for me but unfortunately it's taken a turn for the worst.

I find this beautifully ironic. First off, I seriously doubt you've paid for every month of subscription since they introduced PLEXes. Second, in its 10 years EvE has DRAMATICALLY changed with almost every major expansion. They've introduced new features, expanded upon others, cut back or removed still more; they've changed their minds, gone back on promises and made new ones -- the EVE of 2013 looks nothing like the EVE of 2003.

But this is fine for you, right? You're a loyal understanding customer willing to give developers the benefit of the doubt when they expand development of their game -- unless it's PGI.

[Gallowglas]

Tabrias07, on 22 March 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

Why? honestly, I don't understand.

The better question is why you're so freaked out based on what they said:

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Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person

So if you never have to play against someone using it and never are forced to play it, why are you so freaked out about it? I swear, sometimes people love to invent stuff to get upset about. Trust me, there are enough real causes in the world to fight for that you don't need to be up in arms over trivial stuff.

Edited by Gallowglas, 22 March 2013 - 07:37 AM.

[Primetimex]

3rd person MWO is not Mechwarrior - instead it's more like the 20 odd years old MW game on the Super Nintendo.

What makes MW the game that it is, is IN-COCKPIT piloting of a mech - which means you have to spend time being situationally aware, make the mech controls second nature, and turning MWO into an arcade game is not the answer.

Sadly, this is why the golden age of gaming back in the late 80s and 90s has gone the way of the dodo, new generation of players want instant EVERYTHING, just like everything else in life without willing to spend the time to master the game.

It seems like though, without new players, MWO will almost definitely tank, thus, they are developing to be more FPS like.

Experienced MW'ers do not need and will never need throttle decay, arm lock, 3rd person, and centre legs.

[Dishevel]

Syllogy, on 22 March 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

You prove to me with quantifiable facts that the game is being ruined, and I will cease support.

Until then, the surest way to kill the franchise is to post demoralizing, destructive junk like "I'm quitting!" and "I refuse to spend money!"

These don't just affect MWO, they affect the entire Battletech franchise.

Ok.
Implement 3rd person as a choice.
Now CW.
No CW for 3rd person?
Fully separate CW for 3rd person?
Separate skirmishes but merged full CW?

What happens when it does become popular?
Either this does not work no new people are brought in and the PB gets pissed.
Or
A bunch of new blood comes in and resources are split between making things good for the 2 FULLY SEPARATE PLAYER TYPES.
Or
A WHOLE bunch of new blood comes in and the real MW people take a full on backseat.

What we have is not MW. It is not BT.

What we have is stompy mechs. All good. But it is just hawken.

And Hawken does Hawken better than MWO can.
They are really good at it. I am just a MW/BT guy and ...
I am looking forward to being a Mechwarrior on the front lines in a CW campaign.

If 3rd person comes then that last line there becomes nothing but a pipe dream for this game.
That is the death of the IP even if the "game" succeeds.

[Elandyll]

Syllogy, on 22 March 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

Because I want Mechwarrior as an IP to succeed. Success = More Mechwarrior Games.

If the success of MWO is the biggest obstacle, I will help in whatever way I can to help MWO Succeed.

I know few will agree with me, but at this point I feel that the biggest hope for the MW franchise is for MWO (and by extension MW:T as well) to fail, PGI/ IGP to let go of it, and another dev/ publisher to pick it up and build an actually -legit- Mechwarrior game that would include both quality Single player and great Online Multiplayer (you know, the kind with lobby, VOIP and good maps along with an infrastructure that supports tournaments and e-sporting), instead of being a F2P sandbox cash grab like MWO has been so far.

My 2cps (which I understand could get me banned).

[armyof1]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

The FACT is most of you Founders and spenders have already peaked your expenditures in this game. Your in-game wallet is fat with hundreds of millions of C-bills, you've bought all the MC-exclusive crap you'll ever want, and PGI's income is probably at this stage bottoming out to levels not seen since closed beta. This certainly doesn't apply to every single one of you, but I'm willing to bet it applies to the majority of you.

Frankly put, the reason PGI isn't listening to you is because you already stopped spending money, and they need to exponentially increase their sources of income.

Wow I think you're way off target man. You really think most casual players are the ones buying Hero mechs for $15-30, without a doubt one of the biggest cash-cows for PGI? Well as a casual player I certainly haven't and I doubt I will ever do it. It's something really die-hard fans do, and really if they stop listening to the people supporting them now and hope by going "mainstream" they'll get a whole new bunch of players that can support them, that's one big risk to take.

Edited by armyof1, 22 March 2013 - 07:39 AM.

[Nonsequitur]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

I find this beautifully ironic. First off, I seriously doubt you've paid for every month of subscription since they introduced PLEXes. Second, in its 10 years EvE has DRAMATICALLY changed with almost every major expansion. They've introduced new features, expanded upon others, cut back or removed still more; they've changed their minds, gone back on promises and made new ones -- the EVE of 2013 looks nothing like the EVE of 2003.

But this is fine for you, right? You're a loyal understanding customer willing to give developers the benefit of the doubt when they expand development of their game -- unless it's PGI.

Actually, I didn't bring up EVE to compare it to PGI in that respect. I brought it up as an example to show how much I am willing to spend on a game that I actually like. EVE is also a paid subscription game as opposed to MWO's F2P model.