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[Tabrias07]

Syllogy, on 22 March 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

You prove to me with quantifiable facts that the game is being ruined, and I will cease support.

Until then, the surest way to kill the franchise is to post demoralizing, destructive junk like "I'm quitting!" and "I refuse to spend money!"

These don't just affect MWO, they affect the entire Battletech franchise.

I'd rather have a dead franchise I can look back fondly on than give someone money to **** that franchises corpse.

[Gallowglas]

Elandyll, on 22 March 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

I know few will agree with me, but at this point I feel that the biggest hope for the MW franchise is for MWO (and by extension MW:T as well) to fail, PGI/ IGP to let go of it, and another dev/ publisher to pick it up and build an actually -legit- Mechwarrior game that would include both quality Single player and great Online Multiplayer (you know, the kind with lobby, VOIP and good maps along with an infrastructure that supports tournaments and e-sporting), instead of being a F2P sandbox cash grab like MWO has been so far.

My 2cps (which I understand could get me banned).

Actually, that's probably the fastest way to prove to the industry that the Mechwarrior franchise needs to be buried for another 20 years.

Edited by Gallowglas, 22 March 2013 - 07:42 AM.

[Syllogy]

Elandyll, on 22 March 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

I know few will agree with me, but at this point I feel that the biggest hope for the MW franchise is for MWO (and by extension MW:T as well) to fail, PGI/ IGP to let go of it, and another dev/ publisher to pick it up and build an actually -legit- Mechwarrior game that would include both quality Single player and great Online Multiplayer (you know, the kind with lobby, VOIP and good maps along with an infrastructure that supports tournaments and e-sporting), instead of being a F2P sandbox cash grab like MWO has been so far.

My 2cps (which I understand could get me banned).

I have to disagree. MechAssault and MechAssault 2 Failed miserably, and there hasn't been a full-scale MWO game released since.

4 franchise failures in a row would be a significant reason for investors and publishers to steer clear of the franchise.

Edited by Syllogy, 22 March 2013 - 07:43 AM.

[Nonsequitur]

Olivia Maybach, on 22 March 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

That's marketing and capitalism, for you. Saturate one market, then move to the next. It's nothing new or particularly sinister. It's how companies make money.

In hindsight, pouring $120 into a game that you hadn't seen much of yet seems a bit... unwise, but hindsight IS 20/20. I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same... I originally assumed the game would have significant CW (along with extensive out-of-cockpit RP). I'm glad I didn't plunk down a big chunk of cash based on that, but I have spent about $100 since, which probably more than I've put into any other online game in the span of 3 months. I'm still satisfied, so far, though. If it stops being fun, I'll stop giving them money.

I can understand why founders might be upset given their initial purchase, but frankly, I think it should be viewed as a gamble that some won and some lost.

Yes, it was definitely a gamble. These things will always be a gamble but I guess what is a bit insulting is the blatant 180 degree turns that PGI has been doing. Well, we shall see what it turns into. I know I will be very sad if the day comes when MWO is no longer fun to play anymore.

[Dovvol]

Did anybody complaining actually read the post? There is a part there that says, "Players will never be forced to play against other players using 3rd person."

As long as this stays the way they are saying it, who cares? Let the people that have to use 3rd person to be good have it. I know I'll never be using it, but Bryan Ekman is right. It will bring a whole new player base to the game.

[Iron Frost]

Don't queue for 3rd person? I absolutely detest the idea of playing in 3rd person as much as the next guy but I would love to see more players and more money for PGI to make this game great. I play racing sims from the drivers seat, full dashboard turned on. It really boils down to whether accessibility will attract more people who eventually turn to 1st person than 1st person players we lose from the current player base to 3rd person.

[Gallowglas]

Dovvol, on 22 March 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

Did anybody complaining actually read the post?

They're too busy playing Don Quixote. All we need is a mech shaped like a giant windmill to be dropped in game to keep them happy and convinced that they're saving humanity from evil.

[Whompity]

Nonsequitur, on 22 March 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Yes, it was definitely a gamble. These things will always be a gamble but I guess what is a bit insulting is the blatant 180 degree turns that PGI has been doing. Well, we shall see what it turns into. I know I will be very sad if the day comes when MWO is no longer fun to play anymore.

I can understand what you're saying. I don't think you should make it too personal, though; at least don't be insulted. IF this one fails, there will be others, there always have been, because people like the franchise/universe. I think the devs were/are enthusiasts like we are, but they have no choice but to take it in directions that THEY THINK will keep it alive. I believe they walk a difficult line.

[JimmyT]

[Ignatz22]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

The FACT is most of you Founders and spenders have already peaked your expenditures in this game. Your in-game wallet is fat with hundreds of millions of C-bills, you've bought all the MC-exclusive crap you'll ever want, and PGI's income is probably at this stage bottoming out to levels not seen since closed beta. This certainly doesn't apply to every single one of you, but I'm willing to bet it applies to the majority of you.

Frankly put, the reason PGI isn't listening to you is because you already stopped spending money, and they need to exponentially increase their sources of income.

Sir;

I disagree, and if that is what Marketing is telling the Developers, then they truly aren't listening. How many Founders want CLAN MECHS?? How many core players are anxiously awaiting the Orion, the Highlander, and other mechs down the line? Look at all the Jaegermechs purchased the day of they were introduced, and the CBills spent outfitting them! I doubt your assertion, and I believe that if you added the game time of the core players, you'd see they offer a significant player base which will also decline if they hold back purchases, as they will have (necessarily) older mechs and less enthusiasm to use them against models they won't want to buy with MC or outfit.
You (PGI) split the players. You insulted and lied to them. If you as a player continue to spend money, you support those who couldn't care less about what you want. Why would you assume Community Warfare or the Clans are "coming" if emphasis is being put at some level on a third person system?
I can only assume you are either hopeful to the point of dillusion, dim to the max, or NOT LISTENING.

[Assiah]

You can add my name to the list of players no longer financially supporting this game.

I am done with the double talk and lack of integrity. I am tired of watching their community manager act immature and unprofessional, who spends more time antagonizing the community rather than doing his job of fostering good relations. I am tired of being mocked by the devs for simply wanting the game they promised in the first place and asking for answers.

For those who will claim they will support PGI further so the battletech IP lasts, please don't, battletech has survived worse, and the last thing you want is the IP in the hands of a company that doesn't have the common decency to talk to their player base in a respectful and professional manner. Don't believe me? I'm sure several people can dig up screenshots of Garth telling people that if they stop touching themselves he will release battlemech #20, or countless other unprofessional and childish responses by him or Paul. This kind of attitude is not cute or endearing, it is childish and does more to show PGIs complete disregard for its player base. Don't support someone like that, demand better from alleged professionals.

[FunkyFritter]

From the sound of things people who don't want third person can play exclusively with others who share that sentiment. Given that I see no reason to complain, I'll give the new camera a shot and if I don't like it things go back to the way they were before.

[Sifright]

Primetimex, on 22 March 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

3rd person MWO is not Mechwarrior - instead it's more like the 20 odd years old MW game on the Super Nintendo.

What makes MW the game that it is, is IN-COCKPIT piloting of a mech - which means you have to spend time being situationally aware, make the mech controls second nature, and turning MWO into an arcade game is not the answer.

Sadly, this is why the golden age of gaming back in the late 80s and 90s has gone the way of the dodo, new generation of players want instant EVERYTHING, just like everything else in life without willing to spend the time to master the game.

It seems like though, without new players, MWO will almost definitely tank, thus, they are developing to be more FPS like.

Experienced MW'ers do not need and will never need throttle decay, arm lock, 3rd person, and centre legs.

I don't want third person.

But dude,

Mechwarrior 2 3 and 4 all had third person.

I can fire up my old 3dfX voodoo 2 machine and use a camera to record me playing in third person if you want..

Also "TARGET IS BEYOND INSPECTION RADIUS"

[armyof1]

Iron Frost, on 22 March 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

Don't queue for 3rd person? I absolutely detest the idea of playing in 3rd person as much as the next guy but I would love to see more players and more money for PGI to make this game great. I play racing sims from the drivers seat, full dashboard turned on. It really boils down to whether accessibility will attract more people who eventually turn to 1st person than 1st person players we lose from the current player base to 3rd person.

I'm just going to throw a scenario out there and you tell me what you think. Let's say this 3rd person mode isn't such a huge landslide success that the devs think it will be, and the 3rd person queue is running kinda dry. Do you for a moment doubt the next step would be to try and save the 3rd person players by making it all into one common queue?

[xhrit]

Syllogy, on 22 March 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Until then, the surest way to kill the franchise is to post demoralizing, destructive junk like "I'm quitting!" and "I refuse to spend money!"

I am pretty sure microsoft and wizkids already discovered the surest way to kill the franchise : change the game in ways that the hardcore fanbase does not want.

[Dustein]

SO.. According to the Original Dev Blogs and Interviews and the front page:

mwomercs.com/game said:

How does gameplay work?

MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person, team-based, tactical battlefield..

Everything described about this game while it was in Closed BETA said that this was to be FIRST PERSON VIEW. ONLY. EVER.

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Here are the facts.

• Yes we are currently working on a 3rd person option for MWO.
  
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We would like to invite your constructive feedback on how you would like to see 3rd person executed.

My feedback: if 3rd person view sees live game play(even if I do not have to vs other who have it) I want a refund on my founders!

Reasoning: I made a donation in good faith that this game would follow the path promised when I was asked to give money to help develop this game. Now that it is NOT follow the promised path I am withdrawing my monetary support. Just as a shareholders or a voter removes support when they see lies and deceit and breaking of good faith.

[CDLord HHGD]

[Gallowglas]

armyof1, on 22 March 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

I'm just going to throw a scenario out there and you tell me what you think. Let's say this 3rd person mode isn't such a huge landslide success that the devs think it will be, and the 3rd person queue is running kinda dry. Do you for a moment doubt the next step would be to try and save the 3rd person players by making it all into one common queue?

So what you're saying is that you're going to predicate your opinion of the game and its direction based on the most pessimistic outlook of what MIGHT happen as possible? I really, really don't understand some of you people.

[Mycrus]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Nonsequitur, on 22 March 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Actually, I didn't bring up EVE to compare it to PGI in that respect. I brought it up as an example to show how much I am willing to spend on a game that I actually like. EVE is also a paid subscription game as opposed to MWO's F2P model.

@nonseq - don't mind the carebear...

EDIT: talking about 'zverofaust'

Edited by Mycrus, 22 March 2013 - 08:11 AM.

[KinLuu]

I am undecided.

I feel very bad about the future of this game, but I want this game to succeed. But I do not want it to be World of Mechs.