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[Dustein]

Slater01, on 22 March 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

I just don't get it.
I don't see where PGI has double talked. Every since the idea first came up, the idea is still the same. I remember the podcast with Russ (Oct 2012), and what he said back then is what has taken shape now. So your rant is lost on me.

24 Oct 2011 = MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person, team-based, tactical battlefield...
MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person, team-base...
MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person...

[King Arthur IV]

i drive sitting on top of my car thats how i passed my licence test. tis the reason why we need 3rd person.


WAZAAAAP

PEACE, LOVE

OUT!

[RoboPatton]

I know PGI needs to make money, I get that. Betraying founders trust won't help that in the long run. At the same time, they do deserve props for working with the community, compromising on things like coolant flushes (which are kinda lame).

By matter of principle I wont spend MC on anything that gives an edge, in-game. But I'll spend mucho denero on subs and special mechs (as long as they're reasonably priced).

Edited-- for true lameness.

Edited by RoboPatton, 22 March 2013 - 09:47 AM.

[Mycrus]

Slater01, on 22 March 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

I just don't get it. I don't see where PGI has double talked. Every since the idea first came up, the idea is still the same. I remember the podcast with Russ (Oct 2012), and what he said back then is what has taken shape now. So your rant is lost on me.

[Vassago Rain]

Kelito, on 22 March 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Because their promises to you are contrary to their promises to their investors/backers...

Then they shouldn't have made those promises to pitch it to the audience, who gave them 5 million to get the project started.

Kelito, on 22 March 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Because their promises to you are contrary to their promises to their investors/backers...

Then they shouldn't have made those promises to pitch it to the audience, who gave them 5 million to get the project started.

[Livewyr]

Pay-to-3pv! I knew it! Oh wait.. that hasn't started yet, nvm.

Listen.. I don't want 3PV any more than anyone else here- however.
As long as *I* don't have to use it, and as long as *I* don't have to play against anyone who uses it.. Who the %^&#@ cares?

If you're really gonna start "protesting" something that doesn't actually effect you and isn't even near here yet, just because of principal, (like a xenophobe) just stop eating, go on a hunger strike or something..

(If they fix ECM and I'm still here.. I'll wait for it to actually show up in half a year before lighting myself on fire...)

[Mycrus]

Livewyr, on 22 March 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

Pay-to-3pv! I knew it! Oh wait.. that hasn't started yet, nvm. Listen.. I don't want 3PV any more than anyone else here- however. As long as *I* don't have to use it, and as long as *I* don't have to play against anyone who uses it.. Who the %^&#@ cares? If you're really gonna start "protesting" something that doesn't actually effect you and isn't even near here yet, just because of principal, (like a xenophobe) just stop eating, go on a hunger strike or something.. (If they fix ECM and I'm still here.. I'll wait for it to actually show up in half a year before lighting myself on fire...)

Mycrus, on 22 March 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

i'll lolcatz so you can understand... MAH TEARS R NOT 4 3PV OR DAT ISH... IM UPSET BOUT ALL TEH DOUBLE TALK DAT IZ GOIN ON...

[NinetyProof]

Dustein, on 22 March 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

24 Oct 2011 = MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person, team-based, tactical battlefield...
MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person, team-base...
MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person...

1) That's not a promise to not add a 3rd person view.

2) You go back and play the game that was released back then

3) Online Games *evolve* ... that's the nature of the beast.

Somebody else asked: How did PGI lie? Where is the double-talk. Personally, I would like to see some examples of lies myself.

If this is the example then of double-talk, then a lot of you must have failed basic english comprehension and might want to take a refresher in your local community college (or maybe just finish High School first?).

[Kelito]

Vassago Rain, on 22 March 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

Then they shouldn't have made those promises to pitch it to the audience, who gave them 5 million to get the project started.



Then they shouldn't have made those promises to pitch it to the audience, who gave them 5 million to get the project started.

I totally agree, but the 5 million has no comparison to the 100s of millions that the investors/backers would provide. There are no ethics in big business which is unfortunate. Money trumps ethics every time, or at least most of the time...

[Livewyr]

Right Mycrus.. a principle: "But they said they wouldn!"

Well they said they wouldn't do Coolant Pods either.. and Garth meant it. However.. Garth does not run MWO. Economics runs MWO.

As is said over and over in the AtDs... "Anything is possible." So don't get pissy when they end up doing something Garth/Paul said they wouldn't. It's going to happen, test it and see what you think... or just leave. (That's my plan if my prem time runs out and they haven't fixed ECM...)

------------------
From PotC

"It's just good business."

Edited by Livewyr, 22 March 2013 - 10:00 AM.

[BoPop]

I made a similarish post about buying MC, but mine regarded there not being enough maps.

as far as i'm concerned, it's a great game, a pretty game, got lots of mechs/variants to choose from, lots of ways to tweak on the specs, we can paint them and make our dashboards all fancy so all in all i say bravo PGI. I've spent 60 bucks total on MC (which is what a typical video game used to cost back in my day, when ya still had to drive to a store to see if they had it in stock)

So to me, MWO is pretty cheap all things considered. Is it P2W? well i think the phrase pay to win is rediculous anyways because (back in my day) you had to PAY TO PLAY, PERIOD. so shelling out 15 bucks here and there has been a nice evolution of the gaming industry in my opinion. i get to REALLY check out a game, decide if i want to put some money in it and see how it goes. Once again, back in my day, you'd buy a game in a CD case, install it only to find it sucks bad. 60 bucks gone.

Having said that,

MWO needs more maps BAAAAAADDDDDD

[AlphariusII]

Dishevel, on 22 March 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

Ok.
Implement 3rd person as a choice.
Now CW.
No CW for 3rd person?
Fully separate CW for 3rd person?
Separate skirmishes but merged full CW?

What happens when it does become popular?
Either this does not work no new people are brought in and the PB gets pissed.
Or
A bunch of new blood comes in and resources are split between making things good for the 2 FULLY SEPARATE PLAYER TYPES.
Or
A WHOLE bunch of new blood comes in and the real MW people take a full on backseat.

Everyone needs to read this post.

Also any ETA on the completely optional™ NH/UA servers?

[Naelbis]

I quit buying MC well before this little uproar started. As much as I enjoy this game sometimes, I realized when looking at the matchmaker issues, slow patch schedule, long lasting bugs, lack of quality testing and glacially slow content development that PGI just doesn't have the ability to deliver the game that was promised. This game is live, and as such has to turn a profit or they will shut it down. Their recent moves incline me to believe that they aren't really making the kind of money that would allow them to really spend time developing content or CW, which is why we don't hear about it anymore. And since I got into this game on the promise of CW, I will not pay another dime until I see what if anything they finally push out.

[PANZERBUNNY]

People will say anything to raionalize their current MWO worldview so that they can go to bed at night and not curl up into a ball and ask "why"?

Honsetly, if people aren't playing this game now, do they really think that 3PV will snare enough people to make the effort worthwhile?

Seems like a gamble to bring in people who may or may not spend money on the game while risking people who do/are/would.

Odd.

[Mycrus]

Livewyr, on 22 March 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

Right Mycrus.. a principle: "But they said they wouldn!" Well they said they wouldn't do Coolant Pods either.. and Garth meant it. However.. Garth does not run MWO. Economics runs MWO. As is said over and over in the AtDs... "Anything is possible." So don't get pissy when they end up doing something Garth/Paul said they wouldn't. It's going to happen, test it and see what you think... or just leave. (That's my plan if my prem time runs out and they haven't fixed ECM...) ------------------ From PotC "It's just good business."

"Principles and rules are intended to provide a thinking man with a frame of reference."

"Two qualities are indispensable: first, an intellect that, even in the darkest hour, retains some glimmerings of the inner light which leads to truth; and second, the courage to follow this faint light wherever it may lead."

http://en.wikipedia...._von_Clausewitz

Edited by Mycrus, 22 March 2013 - 10:16 AM.

[Windies]

PANZERBUNNY, on 22 March 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

People will say anything to raionalize their current MWO worldview so that they can go to bed at night and not curl up into a ball and ask "why"?

Honsetly, if people aren't playing this game now, do they really think that 3PV will snare enough people to make the effort worthwhile?

Seems like a gamble to bring in people who may or may not spend money on the game while risking people who do/are/would.

Odd.

Because things are that desperate for them I would assume.

[Whompity]

PANZERBUNNY, on 22 March 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

People will say anything to raionalize their current MWO worldview so that they can go to bed at night and not curl up into a ball and ask "why"?

Agreed. You probably shouldn't have spent that $120, then.

[River Walker]

I have 5 days of Prime time lift ones that is used up I be useing my 2 hero Mechs and founder Mechs if i keep playing MWO.
The only Mech I want now is the Highlander,if Jag and Highlander come out with Hero then I will buy MC, If not Then I am Done spending Money on this game for now.

[Divine Madcat]

Btw.. since it is getting removed, they are now censoring the 3rd person feedback thread. Over 80 posts and counting havebeen removed. They do not like that we don't agree with them.

[SkyCake]

zverofaust, on 22 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

The FACT is most of you Founders and spenders have already peaked your expenditures in this game. Your in-game wallet is fat with hundreds of millions of C-bills, you've bought all the MC-exclusive crap you'll ever want, and PGI's income is probably at this stage bottoming out to levels not seen since closed beta. This certainly doesn't apply to every single one of you, but I'm willing to bet it applies to the majority of you.

Frankly put, the reason PGI isn't listening to you is because you already stopped spending money, and they need to exponentially increase their sources of income.

Wrong...or walkers haven't flattened out... OP has it right, we won't spend anymore, at least not at this point, until we see the game is going in a direction that we feel is true to btech... I for one think that pgi is doing a decent job... about 65% approval... however as you can see, there is lots of room for improvement in my mind... I would like to see auto cannons implemented like they were in lore.. I would like to see lrm's be faster, and have the ability to be aimed a lot better, directly rather than arching except when using a spotter... etc etc