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[Ph30nix]

Note to mods this is not a comment about the current contest this is serious inquiry as to the general opinion of my fellow players as to their feeling of a tactic that seems to be commonly used in hopes to increase a players chances of winning contests thrown by PGI. it is not ment to call anyone out, or bad mouth them. i like the contest, want more of them but i want everyone to have a fair chance to win and with PGI's rules for the current contest it really seems that they do as well. (score of best 10 Matches is brilliant)


since it seems PGI is going to be doing contests on a regular basis (I VERY much like the idea of contests its great to have something to get my mind off how much cash im earning for stuff) I am personaly VERY concerned with what i view as underhanded and very unsportsman like conduct ive heard about. (i cant say ive personally seen it because sadlly while i am a team player unless someone REALLY stands out to me in a match i have a hard time remembering names and can never bring myself to reach out to others in game to get to know them so i could be in the same match with someone 10 times in a row and i honestly would never notice unless they said something)

People will try to get around the "solo play" restriction and group up with freinds on a team speak server and all hit to play a game at the same time in the hopes of all being put in the same game with the plan of doing everything they can to help one player win. Which for this current contest if every player is using a differnt Heavy mech they can ALL help eachother by just making sure everyone gets at least an assist on each enemy mech and they all use tag and carry at least an LRM 5.

but im really curious as to how the community of MW:O feels about this, do you feel its completely fine, that its an underhanded thing to do, does it make you want to not bother competing in future competitions or do you not care (do not care as in you do the tournaments but you dont feel sync dropping hurts your chances of winning)

so please share you views/opinions or feelings about it

Edited by Ph30nix, 23 March 2013 - 07:08 AM.

[Biglead]

Where is the "I don't care" option?

[Ph30nix]

Biglead, on 22 March 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

Where is the "I don't care" option?

there ya go, put two versions one for those that dont care and participate in the contests and one for those who dont care at all

[DegeneratePervert]

Bad players utilize this tactic because they have tied their egos to the game.

[FunkyFritter]

It's not against the rules and is allowed by the program, so it's fair game. If you don't find it enjoyable blame the game, not the player.

[bloodnor]

i have not got a problem with it just because a group can organise people they like to play with does not mean they are any good at the game. Some people just enjoy playing with there friends.... but we are talking about this new contest yeah its out of line it is meant to be a solo achievement not a way of heightening your ego.

but i put fair game

Edited by bloodnor, 23 March 2013 - 12:59 AM.

[INSEkT L0GIC]

The chance of successfully sync dropping solo should be low during an event with high non-synced player volume.

I'm glad they limited the tournament to solo play to reduce kill trading.

[Chavette]

INSEkT L0GIC, on 23 March 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

The chance of successfully sync dropping solo should be low during an event with high non-synced player volume.

I'm glad they limited the tournament to solo play to reduce kill trading.

Never would of thought insects have that good logic...

[Ph30nix]

Chavette, on 23 March 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Never would of thought insects have that good logic...

ba dum bum ch

[Exoth3rmic]

Well, they shouldn't incentivize it through poor scoring mechanics.

People will do what they have to within the rules to win. It isn't against the rules.

[ShadowSpirit]

This is only a problem because there is no organized drops. If people could actually meet, chat, and drop they would.

This very stringent 8 man or 4 or less or nothing .. setup is growing tiresome. There are oftentimes when we have 5 or 6 online and would like to group but we cant. Not even in practice ... which is lame.

SS

[Chavette]

ShadowSpirit, on 23 March 2013 - 02:00 AM, said:

This is only a problem because there is no organized drops. If people could actually meet, chat, and drop they would.

This very stringent 8 man or 4 or less or nothing .. setup is growing tiresome. There are oftentimes when we have 5 or 6 online and would like to group but we cant. Not even in practice ... which is lame.

SS

Ive asked that two times in ask the devs, no answer.

[RiceyFighter]

They could just check the top 15 of each category and see if a person have dropped solo, but the person have like 10+ matches with a few specific people. That would be a huge red flag.

Edited by RiceyFighter, 23 March 2013 - 02:34 AM.

[xhrit]

Synchdropping is Teamstacking, and stacking is most definitely a form of cheating.

"Stacking involves altering game settings or team lineups to give one or more teams an unfair advantage over others. One example includes arranging a team composed of skilled or known players against a team with members of lesser skill. Although this may be a valid and accepted practice in real-life sports, in online games stacking upsets less-skilled players who feel that they aren't being given a fair chance. Less ethical rigging involves weighting the game by providing a player or team with an advantage by outfitting them with better (or more familiar) weapons or equipment, or creating a play field that caters to a certain player, team or playing style."

http://en.wikipedia....in_online_games

[Joseph Mallan]

Wow. I'm the only vote for Not against the rules so its fine.
There is nothing wrong with sync dropping. it's a team game not a "Me v the World" game. So if i don't use the advantage of being in a team that is my own undoing.

EDIT: (Its early I confused this with being a 4 man)
The above applies still, but it is a little unsporting. But since I am not playing basketball (ie a sport), it is still no big deal.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 23 March 2013 - 03:29 AM.

[Glythe]

When there was just a weight based MM you could rig it to make synch drops extremely likely. We demonstrated the possibility and then stopped because it was just wrong to have 8 people in a game on purpose.

Then again the clan I am in is so large we've had 12 people in the same game (no synch).

When it happens we are on the same team we will hop down to the other channel because you may as well use good fortune to your advantage.

[Chrithu]

On a general note there are valid reasons for sync dropping.

Two 8 mans try to sync drop to be matched against each other in order to fight matches in a player held league or tournament and this totally OK in my view.

As for sync dropping to get a team into the same match during the solo ladder:

I do not care all that much. A lot of people are doing this the honest way and do not try to cheat. A few sync droppers are not that much of a problem.

[Lord Perversor]

Glythe, on 23 March 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

When there was just a weight based MM you could rig it to make synch drops extremely likely. We demonstrated the possibility and then stopped because it was just wrong to have 8 people in a game on purpose.

Then again the clan I am in is so large we've had 12 people in the same game (no synch).

When it happens we are on the same team we will hop down to the other channel because you may as well use good fortune to your advantage.

Sometimes me and my friends try to sync drop 4v4 or 3v3v3 just for fun, but nearly 99% of times we end in the opposing teams wich i feel it's even better since you know your enemy skill and can have a blast figthing your own friends.

Imho the only Sync drops attemps who suck are those with heavily prepared to win ppl, like 4x splatpults or DD-C or 3L ravens it's just lame, when it's just 2-4 guys with the mech and randm config they wish to either max or have fun it's always welcome.

[Valore]

If you're talking about trying to get 2 4 mans together to beat on PUGs, then it it doesn't work. The ELO is smart enough to put you guys on different teams since you're normally around the same ELO.

About the only bloody thing ELO does right tbh.

[Ph30nix]

i see no problem with freinds sync dropping in a normal scenerio to play against/with eachother. Im specificaly talking about doing so with the express purpose to stack odds of winning contest in their favor