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[AV 4 T 4 R]

Guys, it's obvius the Raven 3L is to powerful, it annihilates the other lights and reduce the "gameplay" depth about light mechs

I open a poll to ask the Dev to adjust it.


1) Keep it as now

2) Remove Missile Slot from Raven 3L

3) Remove ECM from Raven 3L and put it on another Raven

4) Block Streak usage if ECM is carried (you can justify it with a sort of auto-countering effect)


Vote please

[jakucha]

I think ECM just needs a fix. Either split it into 2 different ECM suites like it should be (and make it weigh more) or just make the single ECM weigh more as it is.

[Xendojo]

I did not vote as the real fix is not listed.

Which is:

FIX ECM!!!!!

[Roadbeer]

I read there was a pool here. Now here I am with a towel and nothing.

Sad Panda

[Xendojo]

And as a long time raven pilot, i can say that the ONLY thing OP about the RVN-3L is ECM.

[Team Leader]

Roadbeer, on 23 March 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I read there was a pool here. Now here I am with a towel and nothing.

Sad Panda

I thought there would be skinny dipping. Now I am here wishing I at least had a towel.

[jakucha]

Roadbeer, on 23 March 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I read there was a pool here. Now here I am with a towel and nothing.

Sad Panda

I have a pool here you can use, but it's public so college kids have pee'd in it.

[Wildstreak]

Raven recently had adjustments.
Streaks just got dialed down maybe temporarily.
ECM is all that is left to look at and not just for the 3L.

[Empedocles]

Go and play COD.

[Voridan Atreides]

Raven right now is not the bigger issue. ECM is.

[Ngamok]

AV 4 T 4 R, on 23 March 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

Guys, it's obvius the Raven 3L is to powerful, it annihilates the other lights and reduce the "gameplay" depth about light mechs

I open a poll to ask the Dev to adjust it.


1) Keep it as now

2) Remove Missile Slot from Raven 3L

3) Remove ECM from Raven 3L and put it on another Raven

4) Block Streak usage if ECM is carried (you can justify it with a sort of auto-countering effect)


Vote please

Actually there are two ways. Block Streak and LRM locking to ECM user which would affect all ECM carriers and make the NARC Tube a NARC Tube only.

Edited by Ngamok, 23 March 2013 - 11:11 AM.

[jakucha]

Voridan Atreides, on 23 March 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Raven right now is not the bigger issue. ECM is.

Like the spice, the ECM balance changes must flow.

[Moonsavage]

Raven is still too tough imho - I went at a Raven, aiming purely for it's legs, with my 90pkh 3xSRM6 2ML CN-9A and by the time I had stripped the leg armour from the Raven, I had no arms, no shoulders and one of my legs had gone.
It's not just about damage output, it's also about how little damage the damn things take from most weapons.

Still with the hitboxes.

[Xendojo]

Moonsavage, on 23 March 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

Raven is still too tough imho - I went at a Raven, aiming purely for it's legs, with my 90pkh 3xSRM6 2ML CN-9A and by the time I had stripped the leg armour from the Raven, I had no arms, no shoulders and one of my legs had gone.
It's not just about damage output, it's also about how little damage the damn things take from most weapons.

Still with the hitboxes.

Sorry, but you must be missing your shots. Not to mention that all missiles are weak right now.\
Also the fact that the last patch added a slight lagshield effect back into the game. I figured that out fighting 1v1 in my 4X Vs a spider. Had to aim about 1 mech length in front of it to land hits.

I die in my ravens(NOT just the 3L i take my RVN-4X out just as much) pretty regularly. Like if i swerve wrong and give someone a straight shot on me i die, or lose a leg, almost instantly. I get one shot by SRM, LRM, and large caliber AC's. But don't get me wrong, i still put out significant damage. And people who miss their shots on me? They die in short order, or i am harassing someone else while they try in vain to catch up.

Want to kill ravens? Stay with your team or buy a Jenner.

If you are trying to 1v1 a light while you are in ANY OTHER WEIGHT CLASS...you are doing it wrong. They will out-maneuver you, and wear you down and kill you, every time. Well...if the light pilot is any good that is.

All this QQ about Ravens....can't wait to see the rage when Flea's start owning Atlai.

Edited by Xendojo, 23 March 2013 - 11:41 AM.

[The Trice]

Remove fact that with each ecm mech they have 1 extra module slot , and remove missile hardpoints from 3L or ecm from it , Both is making it op.

[Barnaby Jones]

just switch the engine limits on the ecm/non-ecm ravens.

IE, the ECM one is the slow one, and the others are the (potentially) fast ones.

[Dasein]

1) Keep it as now
Truely only one realistic option
2) Remove Missile Slot from Raven 3L
This just funny, they never changed hard points before, why start now?
3) Remove ECM from Raven 3L and put it on another Raven
The same as previous one
4) Block Streak usage if ECM is carried (you can justify it with a sort of auto-countering effect
It's the same talk as about missileboating, i don't believe they add some new rules or weapon restrictions.

They said already ECM will be redesigned so stop whining you won't achieve anything with this thread.

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Lubalin: How soon do you plan to make changes to ECM, after the official feedback thread and upcoming command chair post?

A: At least 4 weeks before any changes will be seen.

[Commander Kobold]

Raven is fine , nerf ECM

[FrostCollar]

You need more options. I've seen some great suggestions, like in this thread, about adding an "off" mode to ECM and making the electronic interference generated by the ECM suite detectable at long range with a BAP along with a bunch of other good ideas.

Blocking locks on the ECM carrying mech would be a good idea too. The main issue is simple: ECM needs disadvantages. Making the Jenner viable against the RVN-3L is a good objective, but the better objective is to make the ECM-less RVN-3L viable against the ECM-carrying RVN-3L. The only way that will happen is if ECM is given some significant disadvantages or becomes much bulkier and heavier. Since the latter option seems extremely unlikely, we're left with the disadvantages as our best shot at balancing ECM.

[Voridan Atreides]

jakucha, on 23 March 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

Like the spice, the ECM balance changes must flow.

Wiser words have never been said. Well done.