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[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

If you are already given an incentive to treat Assault/Conquest as TDM to the point where most treat it as such, what is the advantage of adding TDM?

The advantage is so that those of us who WANT to kill mechs, don't have to worry about the one person who decides to ruin the fun by going off in some tiny light that's neigh-unhittable and sitting on the base, getting in everyone elses way of having fun [it would also allow matches on Alpine and Desert to be slug out fights and not some light running off to cap the base and detract from players earnings.]

[Teralitha]

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

I've stated my reason. It's a waste of resources and time for a mode that is a subset of two existing modes. Apparently the devs thought it was too.

Thats not a reason, thats an opinion. fact of the matter is, your just arguing for the sake of arguing, and that is not the purpose behind this poll.

I assume you voted - I will be playing other modes so I dont care.

So at this point your just arguing for the sake of arguing. Good day sir.

Edited by Teralitha, 27 March 2013 - 08:08 AM.

[Markoxford]

Please add team deathmatch. It provides for a wealth of tactical situations and takes away the "cheap" win associated with fast mech caps on large maps. However, it has to be balanced with drop limits to ensure a fair fight with different class mechs. It is NOT a subset of the other modes - it is entirely different due to the fact that the time limit will be more important, damage done will matter and tactics will be based around searching and engaging the other team. Staying alive will also have more purpose and hence the fighting will be more realistic.

Edited by Markoxford, 27 March 2013 - 08:12 AM.

[Mercules]

Teralitha, on 27 March 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Thats not a reason, thats an opinion. fact of the matter is, your just arguing for the sake of arguing, and that is not the purpose behind this poll.

I assume you voted - I will be playing other modes so I dont care.

So at this point your just arguing for the sake of arguing. Good day sir.

No, I didn't vote. Neither option was appropriate. I do care so the second option doesn't fit and I don't want TDM so the first option doesn't fit. Biased poll is biased.

[Teralitha]

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

No, I didn't vote. Neither option was appropriate. I do care so the second option doesn't fit and I don't want TDM so the first option doesn't fit. Biased poll is biased.

You didnt vote? Then you are just being a troll, as I figured.

Guards! This man didnt buy a ticket, please throw him out on his *** escort him out.

Edited by Teralitha, 27 March 2013 - 08:39 AM.

[Taemien]

Teralitha, on 27 March 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

I play team death match in MANY other games... for MANY years now. uh... no... I had no idea that TDM was so horrible! WHAT WAS I THINKING OMG!!!!! *facedesk*

derp.

So you have no issues dropping solo against a 8 man or 12 man premade? If that is the case, then good for you, you'll enjoy getting stomped on in TDM.

Its a give and take situation. More game modes means the match maker is going to get wonky and eventually have to go back to CB. Where 8 man (and in the future, 12 man) teams will be dropping against PUGs. We know by PGI's statements, that most people drop in teams. To facilitate this with the ability to choose game modes (a split queue) they will have to drop the group restrictions to make the queue times bearable.

I'm sure 3 game modes won't be 'that' bad. But we want another game mode that is more interesting than simply TDM right? Lets say they add CtF, KotH, TDM, ect. Thats five game modes. Right now the queue is split by 2 game modes and we have complaints about weight balancing and ELO being weird. Now complicate that with 5 game types.

We'll lose the 8 man vs 8 man only. And end up with them back in the normal pool. Then we have 12v12 happening and now we've got 5-12 people in a group vs 12 potential puggers. Solaris games is another option that will split those game types up even more. And we know that is on the horizon.

The only solution to have all those game modes and keep 8 and 12 man teams in their own queues, is to effectively double the playerbase for each game mode added.

Effectively you all have a choice:

Forget about TDM and have 8/12 mans not in the same queue as solo players.

Or

Have TDM and have solo players getting stomped by 8+ man teams.

Which do you all want? The poll should be changed to reflect that.

[Zphyr]

Misleading poll is misleading.

That said, I don't mind TDM. I would mind only TDM.

[Mercules]

Markoxford, on 27 March 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

It is NOT a subset of the other modes - it is entirely different due to the fact that the time limit will be more important,

How does it become more important? Do you mean maneuver for position for 5-8 minutes and then realize someone is going to have to make a move? That happens now on a fairly regular basis on Assault.

Markoxford, on 27 March 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

damage done will matter and tactics will be based around searching and engaging the other team.

Just like Assault. In fact in Assault if you don't search them out and engage them you risk them ending up on your base make that tactic even more important.

Markoxford, on 27 March 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Staying alive will also have more purpose and hence the fighting will be more realistic.

I can give you the "staying alive will have more purpose", since if anyone is alive on your team you can't lose. I will debate as to if it make fighting more realistic. Military actions usually have an objective and it is rare the objective is "Eliminate all enemy forces you come in contact with." That is typically a secondary objective.

[Teralitha]

Zphyr, on 27 March 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

Misleading poll is misleading.

That said, I don't mind TDM. I would mind only TDM.

Its not misleading. I just cleverly wrote it in such a way to keep the trolls at bay. but apparently it didnt work for all of them... eh.

Edited by Teralitha, 27 March 2013 - 08:42 AM.

[Mercules]

Teralitha, on 27 March 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

You didnt vote? Then you are just being a troll, as I figured.

Guards! This man didnt buy a ticket, please throw him out on his *** escort him out.

Your poll is biased. It's not "Yes or No" it is "Yes or Go Ahead". Go Ahead = Yes just not as emphatically.

[Teralitha]

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Your poll is biased. It's not "Yes or No" it is "Yes or Go Ahead". Go Ahead = Yes just not as emphatically.

That is not what it says. There is

1 Yes

2 Im going to play other modes so I dont care.


You would only care if you want to play TDM. Any other reason to argue is just being a troll. It seems you have been outwitted... Good day sir, now move along.

Although, I guess I dont mind the free bumps.

Edited by Teralitha, 27 March 2013 - 08:49 AM.

[Zphyr]

Teralitha, on 27 March 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

Its not misleading. I just cleverly wrote it in such a way to keep the trolls at bay. but apparently it didnt work for all of them... eh.

Yes it is misleading and biased and you should feel bad.

The Question: "Do you want Team Death Match Mode?"

Correct answers:
- Yes, I want it.
- No, I don't want it.

Wrong answers (what we have):
- Yes, I want it.
- Yes I want it, but I will play in other modes too.

The second one is not a NO, is still partially a YES. Where is the "No, I don't like TDM"?

Therefore, all those voting in the poll are basically giving out a positive answer. In other words, the poll is both done poorly and biased.

[Mercules]

Teralitha, on 27 March 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

That is not what it says. There is

1 Yes

2 Im going to play other modes so I dont care.


You would only care if you want to play TDM. Any other reason to argue is just being a troll. It seems you have been outwitted... Good day sir, now move along.

Your mistake is assuming people wouldn't care if they didn't want to play TDM. That is simply false. I do care where the money is spent on this game. I do care that it could possibly be spent on a gamemode that is effectively redundant.

Your issue is that you still think there are tactics that exist in TDM that don't exist in Assault. You fail to realize that "-Destroy all enemy mechs" means that the all those tactics you use to destroy all enemy mechs in TDM are included in Assault.

[Teralitha]

Zphyr, on 27 March 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

Yes it is misleading and biased and you should feel bad.

The Question: "Do you want Team Death Match Mode?"

Correct answers:
- Yes, I want it.
- No, I don't want it.

Wrong answers (what we have):
- Yes, I want it.
- Yes I want it, but I will play in other modes too.

The second one is not a NO, is still partially a YES. Where is the "No, I don't like TDM"?

Therefore, all those voting in the poll are basically giving out a positive answer. In other words, the poll is both done poorly and biased.

Why are you rewording what the poll choices actually are? Just so you can argue, thats why. The polls choices are correctly defined. Your just another troll seeking a pointless argument.

If your really so against TDM, start your own topic about it.

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

Your mistake is assuming people wouldn't care if they didn't want to play TDM. That is simply false. I do care where the money is spent on this game. I do care that it could possibly be spent on a gamemode that is effectively redundant.

Your issue is that you still think there are tactics that exist in TDM that don't exist in Assault. You fail to realize that "-Destroy all enemy mechs" means that the all those tactics you use to destroy all enemy mechs in TDM are included in Assault.

Wrong again. The tactics you can use to destroy all enemy mechs are still dictated by the presence of base capping. Therefore they are limited. No bases... no limit. Its a pretty simple concept.

Also, if the mode that people like to play is still a choice, there is absolutley ZERO reason why they would care if other game modes exist. NONE strawman....

Edited by Teralitha, 27 March 2013 - 09:08 AM.

[Taemien]

The information in the OP is also misleading. Players need to understand that the amount of game modes available is limited. This is due to the amount of players we have available for play at anyone time.

We know that each game mode added will be selectable. As in right now you can choose to go both Assault or Conquest. Its safe to assume you will be able to do this with TDM as well.

We know that NA and EU player regions will be seperated from another.

We know 12v12 is coming.

We know most players play in groups (2s, 3s, or 4s)

What this means is we have a split player base, a hard split by region (NA cannot play with EU unless they change servers), and a soft split by players who prefer other game modes. I know I select conquest for certain compositions and assault for others. I rarely use the general queue. Others prefer Assault over Conquest and Vice Versa.

With that knowledge, we know that forcing 8s to play against 8s will go away. We know this was suggested as a probably outcome anyway with 12v12 coming. But with all the splits happening at once, we can assume that the restrictions on groups vs PUGs will have to go away since solo players are a minority.

More game modes means Solo players will get PUG stomped.

And this means if we add in TDM, other game modes will be less likely to be added. Lets talk about other game modes that are just more interesting than TDM for that reason.

Edited by Taemien, 27 March 2013 - 09:07 AM.

[Zerikin]

How about a king of the hill style objective or moving the bases closer together instead of opposite sides of the map? Basically anything to avoid the teams cross on opposite sides of the map skipping all combat and ending the match with a cap race.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

I always thought they should remove the bases from assault. There is NO NEED to have the only 2 game modes practically the same. Only difference is one mode has more to cap. We basically only have one mode in this game. Capture with the option to kill everyone or vica versa.

[Teralitha]

Taemien, on 27 March 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

More game modes means Solo players will get PUG stomped.

Its a nice post, but this statement has no relevance to the rest of your post.

A true assault mode should have only 1 base, 1 attacker, 1 defender. I would like that mode. But for the high end competitive team play, only TDM will suffice. And high end competitive play is what Im here for. If we dont have it, there is no reason for players like me to waste our time here.

Instead of calling it Team death match, it should be called "Ranked Play", and assault can be for everyone else.

Edited by Teralitha, 27 March 2013 - 09:21 AM.

[Ihasa]

More modes of gameplay couldn't possibly hurt, right? I'd be happy to add it to my Any queue.

[Butane9000]

If they implemented a simple 4v4 TDM mode we could start some small lance based tournaments.