327 replies to this topic

[mania3c]

Didn't vote because " I don't want TDM" is missing..another mode would just again split community.. So no.. I don't think TDM should be added.

Instead Assault mode should be adjusted so TDM folks would have mode, which would more or less be, what they really want.

[Gooner]

Only if there's a VERY strict timelimit.

I don't like the idea of "lets spend 10 minutes hunting the last surviving light who has gone into hiding with our 4 heavy/assaults on alpine/tournaline/insertnexthugemapnamehere".

[Marj]

Taemien, on 27 March 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

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Thanks for putting the effort in Taemien. I haven't played MWLL...is that TDM no respawn? Does that always happen in competitive games or is that just pugs? If it's just pugs then it's not all that surprising, although given how long MWLL has been going for I'd expect even the pugs would be developing some more interesting plays than just 'charge'. Personally I think assault is fine for pugs, there'll be a lot of whine even with a mechanic to deal with people who hide. But MWO isn't all that different from MW4 and there were some brilliant strategies used there in TDM matches. I guess too many people just can't see the potential...they see a problem, people hiding, and just give up on it.

This is why I asked if anyone in the 3rd party competitive MWO leagues has seen any significant developments in tactics. Judging from the responses in this thread, most people can't think of anything beyond 'go towards red box, shoot'...which is disappointing. If that's really all there is to this game then I won't be hanging around either. I guess it's possible most of the people who see the value in TDM have just given up on MWO and don't read the forums anymore.

Oh, and for those of you who think it's 'realistic' to have an objective, I think it's 'realistic' for an orbital bombardment to wipe out all ground based defenders while leaving the critical infrastructure intact. Or for aerotech, tanks and infantry to exist. It's a game. Realism doesn't apply and that's not necessarily a bad thing IF it results in good gameplay.

[Dr Killinger]

Where the hell is the "No" option? I don't want TDM at all because I think it will be a bad idea, and we have it already in the form of assault (most matches just end up being a massive deathmatch). I think it will just lead to griefing, even with the "receive a death on loss" mechanic. Just because there's "no point", it doesn't mean people won't just love griefing others.

By not adding a no option to the poll at it's inception, you've skewed the results, and adding it now will just end up with no being an abysmally low number, due to the age of this thread.

[Teralitha]

Mal, on 27 March 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Will I stop playing? No, do I want it added.. no. Which is different then 'not caring'. Fortunately, I trust PGI to not make decisions based off a biased, and poorly worded poll. Realistically, I don't expect them to make decisions off of any of the polls posted here.

There is a reason the forum policy for the suggestions sub forum was changed to strictly having polls be yes or no. It avoids confusion, and allows for a much clearer view of support/non-support for a given suggestion.

That is true for many polls, but not this one, which is why its here and not there. A no vote with this topic only promotes useless argueing. Thats why you dont have it, and why you are pointlessly arguing now, because you want to vote no, and want to argue when there is no room for arguments.

Mal, on 27 March 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

The other vote isn't for "everyone else" it's for people who don't care, there are people who do care, but don't agree that it should be added.. this would be the 'no' vote that you didn't add.

I'm not mad the vote isn't going my way, because with the two yes options, it's impossible for a vote to be 'no'. I'm just pointing out that your poll is biased, and you refuse to admit it.

Pls explain why you care about a game mode that you dont have to play? Because the way I see it, there is none. other than to argue pointlessly.

Edited by Teralitha, 28 March 2013 - 04:56 AM.

[Teralitha]

Mike Townsend, on 27 March 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

To illustrate why there are no options that apply to me, consider the following scenario:


You are playing MechWarrior Online using a device connected to a screen. Your husband/wife/spouse/civil unionmate/boyfriend/girlfriend/friend/roommate/someone you have never met/other bursts through the door and says, "Hey, Teralitha, I am going to switch the input over to a different one and watch [content type and IP] which you despise. Is that OK?"


Do you answer:


1) Yes.

2) I don't watch that, so I don't care.

I would only care if I was forced to watch it. Since there is a second input device I can watch whatever I want to while my wife watches whatever she wants to. Problem solved. Now take your stupid pointless arguements.. outa here.

Vote or dont vote, but stop cluttering up my topic with your garbage.

Edited by Teralitha, 28 March 2013 - 05:02 AM.

[Harmin]

This poll is meaningless for it did not include a no option. If it had been included then the no answers would have soundly outweighed the yes answers. But of course you knew that, you had reasons not to include it in order to pretend that you have the majority behind you - which I claim that you don't!

And do not bother adding it now - given the head start the yes-answers have it would be even more phoney than omitting it in the first place.

This sort of tactic reminds me of our scum policiticians. Don't have popular support? Well then blatantly make it up! It's disgusting quite frankly.

-Armin

[mania3c]

Teralitha, on 28 March 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

That is true for many polls, but not this one, which is why its here and not there. A no vote with this topic only promotes useless argueing. Thats why you dont have it, and why you are pointlessly arguing now, because you want to vote no, and want to argue when there is no room for arguments.

wrong on so many levels..there is room for arguing and why another game mode which is pretty similar to existing one is bad for game overall.. This poll is useless because "no" options is legit one and should be present. ..

[Teralitha]

Corwin Vickers, on 27 March 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

I find it funny that the person who has been starting a new "Get rid of Alpha strikes" thread every day this week trying to ram it down everyone's throats regardless of what they want is totally adverse to anyone telling her/him what to do regardless of what he/she wants.

There are lots of reasons people might not want TDM in the game or want anyone else playing it.

There is no happy fun time, tickle me Elmo game mode and even if half the player base wanted it I wouldn't want the developers spending time on it.

The same argument has been used in the 3rd person threads, "You don't have to use 3rd person so why does it matter to you?"

There are other more important game modes they should be spending time on, not something almost the same as the craptastic ones we have now.

I think if the dev's just did the opposite of whatever Teralitha thinks is good the game would be great because I disagree with just about everything he/she says.

Biased poll. Put in a "no" option.

I havent created any 'get rid of alpha strikes" topic. Garbage post. is garbage.

[Teralitha]

Taemien, on 27 March 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

TDM isn't going to be any different. I have proof of this:



That is the Mirage map from MechWarrior Living Legends. Team Deathmatch is one of the game modes there. That image shows where all of the combat happens in each and every map. The only combat that happens in the Purple or Blue parts are stray Aerospace Fighters that happen to run into each other after a strafing/bombing run in the center.

At least with Assault, lights have a reason to enter the auxillary areas to avoid the main melee and ping the base or even cap it.



You might want to try rereading what I said, I don't enjoy sitting in a base regardless of how effective it is. So refrain from the ad hominem attacks, my so called favorite tactics have yet to be revealed in this thread. Stick to the argument at hand.

And I didn't say for you to do what I did and use a group. Anyone can get 3 people to sit in a base with them. But I wanted to see you get 7 PUGers to sit back and perform Team Death Match. According to your poll, 2 out of 3 games should result in getting what you want. My challenge to you, was to see if that is actually the case.

So go into the game solo and see if 7 random PUGs will sit back with you and clean out any enemy that comes by. If you can get a percentage of games that at least matches your poll it will validate it.

But I bet you won't get half of your polled results.

62% of forum goers say they want TDM (with no suggestion of a better game mode).
But that isn't 62% of people in game. Or can you prove that it is?

I have to agree with your map, but it only represents solo play, not team play. Actual teams would be avoiding the obvious locations on the map. ie The middle. A team sitting in the middle of the map can be flanked from everywhere. Not a good place to be. But yes, solo lone wolf games would be similar to your map picture. I can see teams gravitating towards TDM while lone wolves stay away from it and play assault.

Your challenge suggestion would only work if the game mode was actually TDM and not assault. The presence of the bases changes the line of thinking and decision making, forcing limited outcomes. I have already played the game with my team, and used every possible strategy in this mode(its a small number) to great effect. Pug stomping I believe its called. Use base cap to force enemy to split up, destroy fragments with main force. Or rush base with main force bypassing fragments and cap and a couple other common tactics. Its not rocket science. You cant get loners to play TDM because the mode is not TDM. Your challenge is redundant.

I challenge you to get 7 solo players to group up, and camp somewhere else on the map other than your base or the enemy base(Or the middle) and see what happens. You would end up killing a few straggler lone wolves while your base gets capped. You really cant play TDM in assault. You can try to reason it out, but its impossible.

Edited by Teralitha, 28 March 2013 - 05:26 AM.

[Little Nemo]

Your poll is biased.

[GT Hawk]

oy people don't know what they are asking for. Think about a match where a light realizes there team is losing and goes and hides. Now you have say 10 min left on timer to find the light. so be dam careful what you wish for.

[Teralitha]

mania3c, on 27 March 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:

Didn't vote because " I don't want TDM" is missing..another mode would just again split community.. So no.. I don't think TDM should be added.

Instead Assault mode should be adjusted so TDM folks would have mode, which would more or less be, what they really want.

Or just remove conquest mode and replace it with TDM, no splitting the community that way. I means, who really plays conquest exclusively? I only play it by accident when i forget to switch the "any mode" That button should remember your choice from your previous log in so you dont have to change it every time you log in.

Skinny Pete, on 28 March 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

Your poll is biased.

You cant prove it. Troll. Many try, but fail.

Edited by Teralitha, 28 March 2013 - 05:33 AM.

[Teralitha]

GT Hawk, on 28 March 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

oy people don't know what they are asking for. Think about a match where a light realizes there team is losing and goes and hides. Now you have say 10 min left on timer to find the light. so be dam careful what you wish for.

oy, you didnt read the topic post, or any post in the whole topic.

Edited by Teralitha, 28 March 2013 - 05:37 AM.

[Teralitha]

mania3c, on 28 March 2013 - 05:02 AM, said:

wrong on so many levels..there is room for arguing and why another game mode which is pretty similar to existing one is bad for game overall.. This poll is useless because "no" options is legit one and should be present. ..

If its not a mode you would play or be forced to play, then pls explain your reason for argueing against it.

Not having to play a mode you dont like and having the choice to play one you do like, negates the possibility of an argument agaisnt the mode you do not like.

For example, if TDM were in the game now and I could play it, what possible reason would I have to argue agaisnt assault mode? I wouldnt... because I'd be happy playing TDM and I just wouldnt play assault. Pretty simple logic.

Also, no, TDM is grossly different than assault.

Edited by Teralitha, 28 March 2013 - 05:49 AM.

[mania3c]

Teralitha, on 28 March 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

Or just remove conquest mode and replace it with TDM, no splitting the community that way. I means, who really plays conquest exclusively? I only play it by accident when i forget to switch the "any mode" That button should remember your choice from your previous log in so you dont have to change it every time you log in.

You cant prove it. Troll. Many try, but fail.

Many people are playing conquest mode because it's less exploitable than assault .. but yes..most people are playing "any" mode, just because of better queue times...

It's not like people don't want TDM...people just don't want another similar game mode..which would do more harm than good..at least in my opinion.

I say, keep conquest and rework assault to be more death match oriented game mode.

[Corwin Vickers]

Teralitha, on 28 March 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

I havent created any 'get rid of alpha strikes" topic. Garbage post. is garbage.

Liar

http://mwomercs.com/...pular-now-read/

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2132137

Pants on fire?

[Havok1978]

mania3c, on 28 March 2013 - 05:42 AM, said:

Many people are playing conquest mode because it's less exploitable than assault .. but yes..most people are playing "any" mode, just because of better queue times...

It's not like people don't want TDM...people just don't want another similar game mode..which would do more harm than good..at least in my opinion.

I say, keep conquest and rework assault to be more death match oriented game mode.

I'm NOT in favor of LESS modes of play or "replaceing" one mode in favor of another.

M.A.G. had a multi-que where you could select several modes of gameplay and check the ones you wanted to play. whichever mode filled its que list first launched that particular game

[mania3c]

Teralitha, on 28 March 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

If its not a mode you would play or be forced to play, then pls explain your reason for argueing against it. Also, no TDM is grossly different than assault.

Because segregating community even more...especially when we consider future PGI plans..is affecting everyone...another mode, which hugely overlap with existing modes, is pretty much pointless and just make situation worse..even for me..who don't care much about whole TDM.

And I don't know which game you are playing..but majority of assault games are just glorified team death match...nothing more.. but I agree, few times assault mode is exploited in very bad way..I agree this mode should be modified..

For example: Allow base capping after 12th minute or if only 2-3 mechs remain at least in one team for few minutes.

[Mal]

Teralitha, on 28 March 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

That is true for many polls, but not this one, which is why its here and not there. A no vote with this topic only promotes useless argueing. Thats why you dont have it, and why you are pointlessly arguing now, because you want to vote no, and want to argue when there is no room for arguments.

A Yes or no question, having a no answer... doesn't "promote pointless arguing"... it promotes more participation in your poll, by allowing everyone interested in participating to answer. Leaving an answer out, because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's pointless.. it means your poll is biased.

Teralitha, on 28 March 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

I would only care if I was forced to watch it. Since there is a second input device I can watch whatever I want to while my wife watches whatever she wants to. Problem solved. Now take your stupid pointless arguements.. outa here.

Vote or dont vote, but stop cluttering up my topic with your garbage.

1 device, multiple inputs.. like changing the channel on the TV...that's what he said. If someone changes your one display device (TV) to another channel... because you said "I don't care".. you can't keep watching your channel (your TV does not have PIP for the purposes of this example).

Teralitha, on 28 March 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

You cant prove it. Troll. Many try, but fail.

It's been proven, repeatedly, that this poll is biased and has no 'no' answer. You choosing to ignore that proof, doesn't mean it didn't happen. You can choose to ignore that the world is round, it won't change the reality.