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[Spinning Burr]

Shoot all Jagers in side torsos on sight and ask questions later.

[liku]

Volts, on 25 March 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

This post is ridiculous.

Rat's aren't venomous.

Time to practice, please good sir, put your hand in that box,there is some rats coming straight from the sewer inside of this box ;-)

[LauLiao]

Volts, on 25 March 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

This post is ridiculous.

Rat's aren't venomous.

THANK you. I've been waiting for SOMEone to point this out.

liku, on 25 March 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Time to practice, please good sir, put your hand in that box,there is some rats coming straight from the sewer inside of this box ;-)

Disease is not the same as venom.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

MadPanda, on 25 March 2013 - 06:10 AM, said:

Wot? First of all they are Heavy class, not medium or assault. Secondly, putting XL engine on a stalker who has the biggest and easiest to hit side torso, "helped" you against them? Yeah I don't think so. And "nearly coring" a mech is same as nearly getting a phone number; you got squad.

the term is squat

[Righ]

AC/20 toting Jagermechs a problem? Hardly. Here are some real easy solutions to dealing with these (as you put it) "Rats":

- STAY AT RANGE. Good lord, some people seem to forget that there is a Max Range and Effective Range on all weapons. AC/20s are better within around 270m. It may seem like they're still doing a lot outside of that range, but for the tonnage spent on wielding these two enormous cannons and the limited ammo that they generally have, getting hit by an AC/20 at 600+ meters really isn't that bad.

- Target their arms. Jagermechs generally have pretty flimsy armor unless they have been upgraded. Even with a few extra tons of Ferro Fibrous slapped on them, their arms can be torn off pretty easily, effectively disabling them.

The main issue I'm finding is that somehow pilots are able to hit around 100kph in their heavies while still lugging around massive guns. I'm a little perturbed when my Commando that's bolting around at 115kph can't outrun a ******* heavy 'mech with a full arsenal of Autocannons and lasers.

[jakucha]

They're sacrificing a lot to support this build. They'll pop fast.

[Captain Stiffy]

One of the best answers to this is zombie mechs with torso twisting...

I eat these for lunch in my YLW

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Righ, on 25 March 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

AC/20 toting Jagermechs a problem? Hardly. Here are some real easy solutions to dealing with these (as you put it) "Rats":

- STAY AT RANGE. Good lord, some people seem to forget that there is a Max Range and Effective Range on all weapons. AC/20s are better within around 270m. It may seem like they're still doing a lot outside of that range, but for the tonnage spent on wielding these two enormous cannons and the limited ammo that they generally have, getting hit by an AC/20 at 600+ meters really isn't that bad.

- Target their arms. Jagermechs generally have pretty flimsy armor unless they have been upgraded. Even with a few extra tons of Ferro Fibrous slapped on them, their arms can be torn off pretty easily, effectively disabling them.

The main issue I'm finding is that somehow pilots are able to hit around 100kph in their heavies while still lugging around massive guns. I'm a little perturbed when my Commando that's bolting around at 115kph can't outrun a ******* heavy 'mech with a full arsenal of Autocannons and lasers.

Kerberos... thats the name of the company that made Sword of the stars 2 lol does that even WORK yet?

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 25 March 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[liku]

The rats i talk only lives in tunnels..outside they are well manageable.
Shoot at their legs because one cannot torso twist his legs.

Thanks for the word I'll correct the first post so it's :
Deceasesious?

[Tank]

I always wonder why some people put their fingers in every dirt hole they can find.

[Righ]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 25 March 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Kerberos... thats the name of the company that made Sword of the stars 2 lol does that even WORK yet?

Haha no idea what that even is, actually.

[Bagheera]

Called it. Way back when people were crying bitter tears over the k2, totally called it. I told you all the Jager was coming, that it would be faster, and that you should just learn to deal with AC40 builds while they were slow. No one listens to me until it is too late.

Edited by Bagheera, 25 March 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[The Cheese]

Dual AC/20 Jegers go down a lot easier than dual AC/20 Cats. They may be faster, but they do pay for it. I really don't see what the issue is here.

[roguetrdr]

All I ever see in these forums is "oh I like to play X and Y kills X a lot so please make it impossible for anything but X to fit Y so I can be king of the game", or the short version "I'm a bad but I think I'm awesome and it's everyone else's fault"

[Malora Sidewinder]

AC20 jagermechs are no worse than AC20 catapults. they're not much better, either.

yes, they have a 40 point precision alpha that takes awhile to overheat.
BUT, in order to do so, they need to run with non-maxed armor and an XL engine- that is to say if they lose one of their (fragile) torso's, any one, they die. and they're not entirely the fastest mech on the battlefield.

If you're in a scout: Unless they are an exceptionally good shot, you should be able to either do enough damage to cripple them before they hit you, or you can disengage and retreat.

Mediums: probably the weight least capable of defending themselves from dual AC20.
Mediums have enough armor to survive a shot or two, but not enough speed to disengage quickly enough, and if you're dueling a jagermech in a medium, you need to be top of your game to dodge that 40 points to your left or right torso.

Heavy: Now the speed is roughly equal, but you should (in theory anyway) be doing enough firepower to slag the jagermech's thin armor before taking critical damage yourself.
You'll get hit, and take significant damage, but you *should* be able to kill him before he kills you regardless.
at this point, even though you may be far from fresh, you're still function and the other team is down a mech, netting you and by extension your team an advantage.

Assaults: you're slow, but as an assault there is a very good chance that you'll have ranged fire. keep them at distance and they're harmless. if you're a brawler assault, your alpha should be able to rip at the very least half of the jagermech's torso off with just a salvo or two...
a single AC20 on a fragile heavy mech suddenly doesn't seem so terrifying.

Edited by Malora Sidewinder, 25 March 2013 - 11:25 PM.

[Voidcrafter]

Righ, on 25 March 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

AC/20 toting Jagermechs a problem? Hardly. Here are some real easy solutions to dealing with these (as you put it) "Rats":

- STAY AT RANGE. Good lord, some people seem to forget that there is a Max Range and Effective Range on all weapons. AC/20s are better within around 270m. It may seem like they're still doing a lot outside of that range, but for the tonnage spent on wielding these two enormous cannons and the limited ammo that they generally have, getting hit by an AC/20 at 600+ meters really isn't that bad.

- Target their arms. Jagermechs generally have pretty flimsy armor unless they have been upgraded. Even with a few extra tons of Ferro Fibrous slapped on them, their arms can be torn off pretty easily, effectively disabling them.

The main issue I'm finding is that somehow pilots are able to hit around 100kph in their heavies while still lugging around massive guns. I'm a little perturbed when my Commando that's bolting around at 115kph can't outrun a ******* heavy 'mech with a full arsenal of Autocannons and lasers.

There we go again...
Ok, again - nothing personal, but just for a second imagine that we're not the idiots you think we are, completely detached for any sort of intelligent playstyle.
Imagine for a second, that the people going BOOM builds(2xAC20s) are not a complete idiots too - since they had the brains to figure that this is quite effective on the battlefield.
Not to mention that prolly they were like "Hey!! There is a new mech madness again!! A mech that has paper armor in it's stock variant, so probably there are people out there that either followed that mech design to put more weapons, or forgot to put more armor on their mech! Why I just don't mount two AC20s and try to one shot them?!? Oh boy, would that be cool!!!"
Not to mention that the variants, different from JM6-A actually feel like they're forcing you to put this kind of buttercutter build, cause of the slot composition(nope. I personaly haven't done that, but yet it seems the most logic thing to do.).
Pair it with the abscense of the great spike damage the SRMs had few days back and there you have it.
And there are alot of people who didn't even need that much of a reason to do it - they can do it only for the "lulz", which is leading toward games with 5+ mechs armed with AC20s, which is not cool at all, no matter how you look at it.

Why do you people always think that when someone is complaining about something he's completely brain damaged?
So we were told 1 milion times to take cover from LRMs, tho any monkey, who can get it's mech straight is doing this since day 1.
Now we're told to "STAY AWAY FROM AC20s" (in range terms).
Well as pointed - those people mounting the AC20s are mostly intelligent, since they figure out the reasons why it's working, with that in mind, you know, they don't stay in the open, 800m away from you, waving at your whole team from their cockpits.
They exploit the map design, trying to get to you using spot's that even if engaged, you'll fight on their terms.
And yes - their terms hurt.
Alot.
That's what I would've done - that's what they're doing.
Either that or they're traveling in packs of 3/4, which basically leads to oneshoting any sort of mech in the game.
Not to mention that with that playstyle you just don't know they are there until it's WAY too late.
Am I whining?
Nope. I get killed by AC20s builds now and then. Not enough to think this is some kind of great issue.
But stop blaming us, not playing smart enough, for the main reason to get get killed and be on this topic.
And another thing - I know how the game works, but I just can't accept the idea of either-go-BOOM-build-or-go-home idea - there are lot's of viable weapons for that too, don't try to explain me that I should not try to brawl without AC20 on me, cause that would really start to sound like a ballance issue, where, again, the large numbers of BOOM-builds(since Jager is out) is the main reason brawling is that hard.

[Bagheera]

I like how the above poster refers to moving through cover as "exploiting the map." Chose your terminology carefully, one could almost infer that you look down upon the practice of crossing a map without exposing one's self to enemy fire as an "exploit."

[Duncan Longwood]

Training Instructor, on 25 March 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Well, the UAC5 and AC2 builds require you to keep your CT facing towards the enemy, and after you play a few games in a MM bracket where the enemy team knows how to aim center mass and pull the trigger, you quickly realize what a fail strategy it is to focus on sustained long range fire with small bore weapons.

Now, dual AC20 or dual Gauss have something in common, in that you can fire, twist away for three seconds, and then swing back towards the center to fire again. This allows you to spread out damage and actually survive for a period of time, rather than dying with a big empty hole in the center of your mech while your arms, legs, and LT/RT are almost untouched.

Blame PGI for making it so ridiculously easy to core people out.

To expand on this, basically any build with an XL requires high burst damage so you can torso roll. I have used combos of 4AC2's and 4Mlas as well as 2AC2's and 2LpL on the JAG-S, and I have used 2UAC5s, 2Mlas, 4SSRM's on the JAG-A as effectively as I have the AC40 build. I always take the Mlasers on my AC40, 'cause a 50point alpha is better than a 40 imo. The DD is the red-headed step-child in that there isn't any build I can come up with that I can't do better on the A or S, so I'm kinda stuck with the AC40 on it.

[Wildweasel1]

The people that defend this build are the one that are running it. It is just the latest OP build used by people that want to be able to get a few skilless kills. Yes in the hands of someone with any amount of skill this is a very deadly build (I am not by any means try to say that everyone that runs it is unskilled). It will be nerfed simply because it is being used by so many. I don't think they need to nerf the AC20 just the ability to have 2 on a mech. We all know there is a way to counter most builds, but with the speed, range and the the propensity for there to be 3-5 ac40's in a match there is little you can do to counter it.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Jager Ac 20 builds aren't OP.

Stop smoking crack.

Ac 20 cats have been around forever and are actually better.

You are just feeling bhutt hurt over them because so many people are leveling a Jager due to it being a new mech.

Are most of you guys goons? You sure do cry like them.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 31 March 2013 - 08:43 PM.