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[Aesthetech]

Conquest, PUGs, afaik.

Team 1 (my team)

Atlas DDC
Atlas DDC
Atlas DDC
Atlas DDC
Cataphract Muromets (Me)
Hunchback P
Hunchback H
Centurion or Trebuchet (Don't remember which)

620 tons total, 77.5 tons average


Team 2


Awesome
Cataphract
Cataphract
Catapult
Jagermech
Centurion
Trebuchet
Jenner
(I think, tonnages are about right)
485 tons, ~60.5 ton average

Really, matchmaker? Really? Yea, you can imagine how that went. Sure, I like winning and all, but I also like to have a match that at least pretends to be a challenge.

Yea, there aren't any problems with the matchmaker. Seriously, how hard would it have been for the POS to shuffle those teams around a little?

Edited by Aposiopesis, 25 March 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[Kell Draygo]

What kind of crappy players feel the need to run a 4-DDC premade?

[Teralitha]

That matchup isnt that bad really.... I mean... it certainly isnt fair but its doable.

[Acenan]

Kell Draygo, on 25 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

What kind of crappy players feel the need to run a 4-DDC premade?

Been in a few matches where there have been 5-6 atlases pugging, not all DDC.

[Aesthetech]

Kell Draygo, on 25 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

What kind of crappy players feel the need to run a 4-DDC premade?

I'm pretty damned certain it was a PUG, given our banter in team chat. Pretty sure everyone was marveling in the stupidity of it.

Teralitha, on 25 March 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

That matchup isnt that bad really.... I mean... it certainly isnt fair but its doable.

Not with a modicum of organization from team 1, which we had... which was really "Park in this spot near base, okay, enemies are engaging from this way, and if something hits base everything that's not a DDC go take care of it."

Edited by Aposiopesis, 25 March 2013 - 10:50 AM.

[Wieland]

Thats normal since they activated ELO. ELO is worse than the standard matchmaking they had before.

[Solomon Ward]

Kell Draygo, on 25 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

What kind of crappy players feel the need to run a 4-DDC premade?

Probably a Lyran Scout Lance.

[Onyx Rain]

Wieland, on 25 March 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Thats normal since they activated ELO. ELO is worse than the standard matchmaking they had before.

So far I tend to agree...weight classes balanced the game more then elo is so far. I really hope to see weight or BV come into play again soon for better match ups. My guess is they will eventually make it a combination.

[MacKoga]

I've been on sides significantly under the tonnage, and sometimes also playercount, of the other side, and won. It usually feels like a fair fight to me. A fight that could statistically be won either way, based on the histories of its participants, is what the matchmaker's goal is.

PUGLIFE. All matches.


I was hoping this thread was going to be a screencap of 3 pilots vs. 8 pilots.

[Max Power]

Kell Draygo, on 25 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

What kind of crappy players feel the need to run a 4-DDC premade?

Probably the same kind that leave insulting messages after clearly not reading the OP.

[Tatula]

I wish they'll also take into account the number of light mechs per team on Conquest. Ended up on a team with all mediums and heavies and an assault. The other team has 4 Ravens. They pretty much capped everything before we can do much about it.

[FrDrake]

Aloha, on 25 March 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

I wish they'll also take into account the number of light mechs per team on Conquest. Ended up on a team with all mediums and heavies and an assault. The other team has 4 Ravens. They pretty much capped everything before we can do much about it.

Yea, being undertonnage only means you lose on conquest if you are a super derp and try to just engage them head on and not cap.

In regards to Elo over tonnage matching, I have only noticed that on average i have much better allies, which I care more for than another guy in an atlas.

[TB Freelancer]

Kell Draygo, on 25 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

What kind of crappy players feel the need to run a 4-DDC premade?

Same type that like their 4-3L premades...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The biggest source of these lopsided matches are wannabe premades running pure assault/light/heavy/medium (usually heavy on the ECM) lances that are screwing Elo up....

...since Elo is a work in progress, PGI is collecting and analyzing data, I'm sure they'll come up with something. Personally I still say that some form of class restrictions on groups mixing with pugs would eliminated the vast majority of that BS.

[RiceyFighter]

I realized that if your 4 man premade drop SUPER HEAVY you are guaranteed 300-400 tons in. Your 4 man pubbies on your team will probably end up being 200 tons. So you are getting average of over 500 tons in. More tonnage usually equals to more wins.

[ElLocoMarko]

I have a feeling that grouped up fours get wonky weight matching. We had a PUG match last night where my team was all assault and heavy with one medium against FIVE light mechs. I think a 4-man was involved because the Ravens were all Steiner with matching paint... and they claimed over all-chat not to be grouped... lie lie lie... but all chat is another form of information warfare.

It was pretty desperate but our weight advantage prevailed once we started to hit them (your aim gets tuned up when everything is moving 140 kph)

It isn't happening all the time... most matches are pretty OK and then there are a few that are just ridiculous.

[Onyx Rain]

Max Power, on 25 March 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

Probably the same kind that leave insulting messages after clearly not reading the OP.

Also if you are dropping pugs and get stacked up like that because you like to drive an atlas, that isn't your fault... We should all get to pilot what we want without being jumped on for it...unless you play absolute crap builds like I see sometimes, an atlas with 2 er large lasers only...or something like that...then you deserve a bashing

Edited by Onyx Rain, 25 March 2013 - 11:49 AM.

[Innocent]

Slightly off topic but i had a match where the matchmaker succeeded unexpectedly. While filling the match one team had 2 people disconnect and the matchmaker stopped adding people to the other team. It dropped a 6 vs 6.

[FrDrake]

Yea, one time it stopped each team at 7 people and let us drop that way, not sure if intentional or not.

[TheStrider]

I love seeing my team has mostly Mediums and Heavies. No lights, no Assault.

And we meet up with 3 Atlai/Stalkers and 3 Ravens. All with ECM of course. One token Medium and Heavy - and the medium is usually a Cicada.

I see that setup far too often.

[Czardread]

been in a worst match than that, 4 atlases, 2 cataphract and 2 dragon (one boating 3 ER ppcs) vs 1 raven, 2 comandos, 2 trebs (one of then stock), 1 cat, 1 stalker (clueless lrm boat), never got the eight man.

imagine how well that went, where not for the dragons, we could've at least tried to cap.