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[Shumabot]

Jchan1e, on 25 March 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

I would agree with you if it were still November and R&R was still a thing. I learned the hard way back then that a Gauss Cat barely broke even. But it's March 2013, and not only do I average 120,000 cbills a match,I get to keep ALL OF IT. I never payed real money for anything I could get with Cbills, and I stopped caring about that Cbill cost a month or two back, and this is on no more than a few games per week.
Even if you lose 67% of your games, I don't see why you should have any problem at all affording that engine (or getting more than 3 kills in an AC/20 Jager). Seriously.

Wins and losses, averaging 120/60 means 90 average. 5 million, roughly sixty games. 15 minutes average per game +time spent between games.

3.75 hours of straight play to afford one engine. One component. That number doubles with consumables. 60 games of feeling underpowered, not using consumables other people may be.

It wouldn't be so bad if this game was more fun with unoptimized mechs.

Edited by Shumabot, 25 March 2013 - 06:23 PM.

[Jchan1e]

Shumabot, on 25 March 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

It wouldn't be so bad if this game was more fun with unoptimized mechs.

I do have a friend I recently introduced to that game who has had a lot of fun just running around in a trial mech and dying more often than not. By the time he bought his first mech he had built up over 10,000,000 cbills, and was still getting some from the cadet bonus.
To each their own I suppose.
Though I will say I think some people take this game a little too seriously at times.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Ok, After mentioning the number of XL 300 engines I have I got curious, so I took a look at my engine list, pulled the engine out of every mech that I own, stripped all the weapons and equipment (except heatsinks) and made this list:

• STD engines ---------- XL engines
  
• 150: 1 ---------- 210: 1
  
• 200: 2 ---------- 245: 1
  
• 205: 1 ---------- 250: 2
  
• 210: 2 ---------- 255: 1
  
• 225: 4 ---------- 260: 2
  
• 235: 2 ---------- 265: 1
  
• 240: 2 ---------- 270: 1
  
• 245: 1 ---------- 275: 1
  
• 250: 4 ---------- 280: 3
  
• 255: 2 ---------- 285: 1
  
• 260: 6 ---------- 290: 1
  
• 270: 1 ---------- 295: 1
  
• 275: 2 ---------- 300: 5
  
• 280: 1 ---------- 305: 1
  
• 285: 1 ---------- 310: 1
  
• 290: 1 ---------- 315: 1
  
• 295: 1 ---------- 320: 1
  
• 300: 3 ---------- 325: 3
  
• 305: 1 ---------- 330: 1
  
• 325: 2 ---------- 340: 1
  
• 340: 1 ---------- 360: 2
  
• 350: 1
  
• 355: 1

I have more than 65 different engines, lol. Kinda sad. But what else am I going to spend the c-bills on? I bought all the c-bill colors, I have all the equipment that I need, I have several of most modules and at least one of each. I have plenty of mechs to play with but need more mech bays to buy more mechs (I like almost all of the mechs I currently have and do not plan to sell any).


And if I ever find myself short of cash I can sell some duplicate engines that I am not using, like those 6 STD 260s. (3 of them from Jagermechs, not sure about the other 3).

Edited by Tickdoff Tank, 25 March 2013 - 06:43 PM.

[Leiska]

Strangely enough this topic drifted from discussing a convenience fix (or in Riot's language, a "quality of life change") to a discussion about c-bill costs, which was actually never the original intention.

I simply figured it should be relatively obvious that if I can manually remove a component from mech A, stick it into mech B and use the same stuff on both mechs, it should be possible do that automatically. Clearly, I was wrong and the thread was soon flooded by a bunch of founders and hardcore veterans who think grinding for four hours in order to save perhaps 20 seconds per evening is not only a good time investment, it's also a purchase that makes perfect sense to someone who doesn't already have every mech, component and module he could ever want.

Edited by Leiska, 25 March 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[Jchan1e]

Leiska, on 25 March 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Strangely enough this topic drifted from discussing a convenience fix (or in Riot's language, a "quality of life change") to a discussion about c-bill costs, which was actually never the original intention.

I simply figured it should be relatively obvious that if I can manually remove a component from mech A, stick it into mech B and use the same stuff on both mechs, it should be possible do that automatically. Clearly, I was wrong and the thread was soon flooded by a bunch of founders and hardcore veterans who think grinding for four hours in order to save perhaps 20 seconds per evening is not only a good time investment, it's also a purchase that makes perfect sense to someone who doesn't already have every mech, component and module he could ever want.

Back on topic, yes it would be nice to see a feature like this implemented. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't PGI planning on implementing a partial solution in the form of common-sense mechbay functions with UI 2.0?

[Redwo1f]

Heck, i have never swap shared engines. I currently have 9 mechs - 3 completely elited (Dragon), 2 more in progress. Don't mind the grind - it becomes a very goal orientated game and I like that. Also makes you appreciated each purchase that much more.

...only real draw back is if you end up buying a dud mech or need a dud variant to elite your others - then that really becomes painful (or can be).

Each to their own. I guess I am just a little bit more patient than the OP.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Leiska, on 25 March 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Strangely enough this topic drifted from discussing a convenience fix (or in Riot's language, a "quality of life change") to a discussion about c-bill costs, which was actually never the original intention.

I simply figured it should be relatively obvious that if I can manually remove a component from mech A, stick it into mech B and use the same stuff on both mechs, it should be possible do that automatically. Clearly, I was wrong and the thread was soon flooded by a bunch of founders and hardcore veterans who think grinding for four hours in order to save perhaps 20 seconds per evening is not only a good time investment, it's also a purchase that makes perfect sense to someone who doesn't already have every mech, component and module he could ever want.

So stop being a feeble limbed gamer and use the 2 seconds to pull it out of whatever mech it's in, select the mech you want it in and then put it in the chosen mech.

Are you people REALLY that lazy?

It could be that doing what you want would take a stupid amount of coding to change things around.

They have more pressing stuff to take care of and need not baby sit your lazy demeanor.

[Roadbeer]

The irony is that the OP has spent more time typing in this thread than he probably ever will in swapping components.

Edited by Roadbeer, 25 March 2013 - 09:02 PM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

The type of gamer that should stick to farmville.

[deforce]

Leiska, on 25 March 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Can I check those statistics somewhere? It's kind of hard to pull these estimates. And I have much more than 10 million, but 10 million only gets you one mech. If I make 100k a match, which I think is a pretty reasonable amount (might actually be way too much when including losses, I can't remember how much that affects the payout) for some theorycrafting, it will take me 137 matches to buy an AS-7K.

A game of LoL awards you ~60-130 IP depending on if you win or lose +150 IP for the first win of the day. The most expensive champions cost 6300 IP, so if we round it out to an average of ~95 IP per game, we get 66,3 games, which is most likely more time spent, however, that same champion costs only 975 RP, which is ~6€, while the AS-7K costs 5.5k MC, which is ~20€. In addition, LoL has a free champ rotation that gives you 10 fully playable champions to play for free (these are no stock mech garbage deals, mind you), and every week three champions are 50% off, so realistically you're only paying ~3€ for most top price tier champions.

The other large IP sink in LoL are runes. However, the same runes can be used on any champion you own/rent, so there is no need to buy duplicate rune pages.

Finally, mech exp progression is so out of whack when compared to c-bill gains. I can collect enough mech exp to master a chassis far before I can even buy the third chassis. My stalker is sitting on 70k useless mech exp and my Jager has 26k. I can't spend it on anything because I'm completely bottlenecked by c-bills.

I have spent tens of millions on random dumb upgrades, buying, selling, re purchasing mechs. I do not have premium time either.


137 matches for the most expensive mech in the game is not unreasonable. You will eventually reach a point where you have every mech you want and nothing to do with c-bills.

I honestly would pay 100,000 cbills a match to shoot a flamer out of my @$$.

Edited by deforce, 27 March 2013 - 12:36 PM.

[Thirdstar]

I'm amazed at how much the Founders in this thread lack self awareness. Yeah, money's totally NOT an issue. I mean EVERYONE had Founder mechs and months of premium time handy right? Right?

Just ******* amazing how they've all missed that. Yeah, 65 engines, no sweat. Everyone should have that.

Get better scrub. Also stop making your mum do the laundry. Hurr durr.

Edited by Thirdstar, 27 March 2013 - 12:42 PM.

[Mercules]

I haven't activated my premium time. My Founder mech is a Jenner which I think I've played maybe 10 times. I know it was enough to buy my first Commando.

[Thirdstar]

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

I haven't activated my premium time. My Founder mech is a Jenner which I think I've played maybe 10 times. I know it was enough to buy my first Commando.

Are you going to be disingenuous and not mention the 'compulsory' premium time all Founders got?

Oh who am I kidding, of course you aren't.

Edited by Thirdstar, 27 March 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[Mercules]

Thirdstar, on 27 March 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

Are you going to be disingenuous and not mention the 'compulsory' premium time all Founders got?

Oh who am I kidding, of course you aren't.

1. Didn't get a ton of play in during that period.
2. I assume the bonus new players gets is equivalent to the the "bonus" I got those few times during that period I likely did play.

[Roadbeer]

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

1. Didn't get a ton of play in during that period.
2. I assume the bonus new players gets is equivalent to the the "bonus" I got those few times during that period I likely did play.

Totally forgot about the new user CBill gift. Will hold on to this nugget for all future Founder V. n00b disparity.

[Thirdstar]

Mercules, on 27 March 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

1. Didn't get a ton of play in during that period.
2. I assume the bonus new players gets is equivalent to the the "bonus" I got those few times during that period I likely did play.

Deftly dodged gotta give you that.

You assume wrong about point 2. It's isn't even close. Cadet bonus comes out to about 7.8mil. The 'period' you're talking about was a little over two months.

We also had a wonderful matchmaker back then that would drop 8man premades vs PUGs.

Roadbeer, on 27 March 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Totally forgot about the new user CBill gift. Will hold on to this nugget for all future Founder V. n00b disparity.

Oooooo 7.8 mil. Sooooooo much money compared to the tens of millions even the least active of Founders have. Wow man, you sure stuck it to those entitled newbs.

Angry Tank upthread has 65 engines. I wonder how many of those one could buy with 7.8 mil. Plus mech and weapons of course.

Edited by Thirdstar, 27 March 2013 - 12:59 PM.

[deforce]

Thirdstar, on 27 March 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

Are you going to be disingenuous and not mention the 'compulsory' premium time all Founders got?

Oh who am I kidding, of course you aren't.

even without that premium, I would have all the mechs I have, just less of a surplus.

after the cadet bonus, you have enough to buy pretty much any mech.

Thirdstar, on 27 March 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Deftly dodged gotta give you that.

You assume wrong about point 2. It's isn't even close. Cadet bonus comes out to about 7.8mil. The 'period' you're talking about was a little over two months.

We also had a wonderful matchmaker back then that would drop 8man premades vs PUGs.



Oooooo 7.8 mil. Sooooooo much money compared to the tens of millions even the least active of Founders have. Wow man, you sure stuck it to those entitled newbs.

sounds like someone got stomped a few too many times and has just given up lol. i guess earning c-bill may be hard if you never win.

[Pater Mors]

Leiska, on 25 March 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Would it be too much to ask to not have to move my components from one mech to another when I want to switch? I'm definitely not going to buy another XL 300 engine, so why not let me equip it to multiple mechs at the same time? Seems like a huge quality of life boost if I ever saw one.

Haha no. Suck it up and spend your c-bills like the rest of us have to.

[Thirdstar]

deforce, on 27 March 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

even without that premium, I would have all the mechs I have, just less of a surplus.

after the cadet bonus, you have enough to buy pretty much any mech.

sounds like someone got stomped a few too many times and has just given up lol. i guess earning c-bill may be hard if you never win.

If the strength of your argument rests on garden variety Ad Hom attack, then your argument is kinda ****.

[Roadbeer]

Thirdstar, on 27 March 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Oooooo 7.8 mil. Sooooooo much money compared to the tens of millions even the least active of Founders have. Wow man, you sure stuck it to those entitled newbs.

I have a thought, buy some premium time... maybe CONTRIBUTE something back to the game. Post less, play more.


Unless you're in K-Town, then post.