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[Radical FX]

I don't understand what makes the ECM on the 3L so OP? So I can not be targeted for LRMs whoopie they probably won't hit me anyhow. Oh so you brought streaks and now you can't use them...learn to aim SRMs.

I love my 3L it is my new favorite thing to run. I got the biggest XL in it 3 Medium Lasers, SMR6 & SMR2 with I think 2 Tons ammo and max armor. I love this thing to death.

[xhrit]

Davers, on 27 March 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

If there was no ECM, Raven 3L would be playable, unlike it's other variants, but Jenners would be back on top as they were right up to the day ECM came out.

Before the raven hitbox change the other variants were at least playable. Not anymore though, 90% of my deaths in my 4X post hitbox fix are because I got legged...

Radical FX, on 28 March 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I love my 3L it is my new favorite thing to run. I got the biggest XL in it 3 Medium Lasers, SMR6 & SMR2 with I think 2 Tons ammo and max armor. I love this thing to death.

Try playing a 2X or 4X and tell me what you thinK about the Raven.

Edited by xhrit, 28 March 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[Vodrin Thales]

Davers, on 27 March 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

You forgot SSRMs. SSRM+ECM+Buggy Damage make Raven's the best light mech hands down. If Ravens didn't have ECM, Commandos would be the most powerful light mechs, as odd as that sounds.

Spoken like a player who did not play before ECM. Take ECM out of the game and the JR7-D becomes the best of the lights. It will smoke both the 3L and any commando.

[Radical FX]

xhrit, on 28 March 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Try playing a 2X or 4X and tell me what you thinK about the Raven.

I finished basic on all 3 variants then sold the 2X and 4X their hard points were just funky feeling. I kind of wish I didn't sell them and would of finished their elite this weekend with the double xp...maybe I will buy them again tonight.

I am not a fan of the 2X but the 4X was not to bad. I just didn't invest anything special into them like DHS etc. The 2X I think with the ballistic slots are a waste of hard points at the moment so I ran it like a dumb down 3L with less SRMs on it.

[Walk]

Davers, on 27 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Ummm... how else do you counter the effects of ECM?

Ok, I'm getting sick of this. There are exactly two weapons countered by ECM, streaks, and LRMS. You counter it by not using them. As Pater Mors said, if you feel forced to counter something, you are a bad pilot. I pilot Jenner because it is flat out a thousand times better than any Raven can ever be. Anyone who disagrees is probably at low ELO, every match I'm in all I see is Raven's getting blown up left and right by Jenners, including myself.

[Terror Teddy]

The main problem with the ECM is that the ONLY counter to ECM is another ECM.

[Tynan]

Everyone keeps talking about ECM, but to my mind the bigger reason that the 3L shines above the other Raven variants is that it can carry much, much faster engines. You won't see a 4x / 2x running at 140kph.

[One Medic Army]

Walk, on 28 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Ok, I'm getting sick of this. There are exactly two weapons countered by ECM, streaks, and LRMS. You counter it by not using them. As Pater Mors said, if you feel forced to counter something, you are a bad pilot. I pilot Jenner because it is flat out a thousand times better than any Raven can ever be. Anyone who disagrees is probably at low ELO, every match I'm in all I see is Raven's getting blown up left and right by Jenners, including myself.

Two weapons, and IFF.
The IFF jamming is the big one, suddenly you have no idea where your team is, and they can't see your location either.
The only ways to counter this are to stick in a blob, use counter-ECM, or be on TS.

It's not all about missiles ffs.

[EmeraldSongbird]

The Raven is the best light for one big reason above the Jenner aside from the obvious ECM:
TORSO TWIST!
This mech can target mechs much easier than a Jenner with the same or better firepower and speed. The slight height makes it a little easier to hit, but it doesn't help much. If ECM didn't exist, this light mech would still be the best.

[xhrit]

Terror Teddy, on 28 March 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

The main problem with the ECM is that the ONLY counter to ECM is another ECM.

My 4X does a decent enough job countering ECM using tag at long range, and erppc to disable it long enough to get a streak lock at short

Radical FX, on 28 March 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

I finished basic on all 3 variants then sold the 2X and 4X their hard points were just funky feeling. I kind of wish I didn't sell them and would of finished their elite this weekend with the double xp...maybe I will buy them again tonight.

So, you have not played the other ravens in a while? Try the 2x and 4x, after the patch you will like them even less...

[Vodrin Thales]

Doobles, on 28 March 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

The Raven is the best light for one big reason above the Jenner aside from the obvious ECM:
TORSO TWIST!
This mech can target mechs much easier than a Jenner with the same or better firepower and speed. The slight height makes it a little easier to hit, but it doesn't help much. If ECM didn't exist, this light mech would still be the best.

Wrong. Effective use of jump jets negates the torso twist advantage when you are talking about a Jenner that is otherwise a better mech.

[TehSBGX]

It's a mix of Speed, good hardpoints and ECM. The second I see two or more I honestly do get a bit scared.

[Wizard Steve]

It's carved from purest cheese.

[Roadbeer]

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet.

3L is so good because a lot of the things that it's SUPPOSED to do are either woefully lackluster or not in the game yet.

It's supposed to be a niche/role warfare IW mech, but because NARC, etc, etc, etc aren't properly implemented, those systems are traded out for firepower.

[pencilboom]

ECM + SSRM. enough said

[DarkDevilDancer]

Have to say even without the ECM the 3L would hands down beat the other variants, 2 and 4 have really poor weapon slots.

[Asakara]

In my opinion one of the biggest factors is personal piloting skill. I doubt there will be many forum complaints about the Raven 3L on the team on the bottom.. Yet his mech was setup the same as mine: