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[LtZerge]

I've been rolling AC40/2ML since the mech came out. I have to be careful in it and torso twist a lot. Letting myself stay exposed too long will lead to an XL 'plosion, but going about 80 KPH is pretty nice. It sort of feels like I'm piloting 2 YLW...

Anyway, we're really really easy to take from range like most brawlers. Once you see us, make us a priority when you can. Even with 400+ armor we're really soft because we're easy to hit and have XLs. Sending a few lights to distract is normally a good idea, except for those of us who can lead really well... we'll pop the legs off those ravens and spiders with haste. Also, never ever power down near us. Many of us have developed a good feel for head hit-boxes and 40 damage to the face is a guaranteed kill.

[WVAnonymous]

It would be nice if PGI had a "ticker" up with all the mech variants that are being used. If they don't want to give away volumes or counts, percentages would be fine.

It would be interesting to see how the new mechs bounce up and trail off in "market share" as they launch. Did the Spider ever catch on, is the Jenner rebounding, etc.

Are the AC40s really everywhere, or does it just feel that way?

[Vodrin Thales]

Magicbullet141, on 28 March 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Whats the problem? Nobody complained about the dual ac/20 catapault.

Really? Did I just dream of the "Cheese K2" threads?

[RiceyFighter]

A fire support mech with PPC can pop him easy. AC 20 Jagers got to close in and be in the open.

[jay35]

GB Krubarax, on 28 March 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

So what is actually the purpose of this post?

He's letting off steam. He's annoyed how the latest fad build is ruining the experience during its brief flare of glory. As soon as the majority of players learn how to counter it successfully, it'll lose prominence and fall by the wayside and things will be back to normal (or the next fad will appear).
Give it time.

[Gregore]

Magicbullet141, on 28 March 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Whats the problem? Nobody complained about the dual ac/20 catapault.

This is because the dual ac20 cat is limited to standard engines, and thereby much slower, and easier to handle.

[Davers]

Magicbullet141, on 28 March 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Whats the problem? Nobody complained about the dual ac/20 catapault.

You must be new around here.

[Pygar]

WVAnonymous, on 28 March 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

It would be nice if PGI had a "ticker" up with all the mech variants that are being used. If they don't want to give away volumes or counts, percentages would be fine.

It would be interesting to see how the new mechs bounce up and trail off in "market share" as they launch. Did the Spider ever catch on, is the Jenner rebounding, etc.

Are the AC40s really everywhere, or does it just feel that way?

I use the 6s, just because there really isnt much cause to use the other two frames, my fit is the same either way...dual Gauss instead of Dual AC20s.

Jags have been a little too common lately, but it is because they are new more than it's because they are good- they are good too, despite their drawbacks, but long term I think people will stop spamming them.

[Eleshod]

I'm confused, my dual guass 2 ML cataphract 4x does the same if not more damage, with more range? as well as more ammunition

[GRIMM11]

The real problem are those damn jagermachine gun boats. ******** be getttin those crits left and right, its unfair!

[OpCentar]

Dual AC/20 K2 is inferior in speed to the Jäger, it can't mount an XL so it's easy to counter.

Fast Jägers with XLs are much, much more deadly.

That being said, my 4xLPL 'Phract is just as fast, better armored and not ammo reliant. Has a faster weapon cycle too, which always seems to surprise those boomJägers

[Royalewithcheese]

It's a new robot, ppl want to try it out. Just wait until Tuesday - if the assault jumpjets make the Highlander remotely effective as a poptart, y'all better be ready for:

[NKAc Street]

Oh you mean noobs are getting killed by an easier to kill than a catapult mech? Wow it must be over powered. Quick pgi. Nerf it for no reason like you did the cat. So it is useless.

[Kraven Kor]

Magicbullet141, on 28 March 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

oh the number of lights I instakill with ac/20s...

I wish.

I hit them. I know I hit them - the reticule goes red, their armor flashes.

But they still don't die.

I've shot several Ravens 2, 3, 4 times with AC/20 + SRM's.

I'm low ping, I'm watching the reticule, I'm leading my shots.... but they still don't die.

Goddammitsomuch.jpg

(OK, sometimes they die, but not often / quickly enough.)

[Royalewithcheese]

Kraven Kor, on 28 March 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

I wish.

I hit them. I know I hit them - the reticule goes red, their armor flashes.

But they still don't die.

I've shot several Ravens 2, 3, 4 times with AC/20 + SRM's.

I'm low ping, I'm watching the reticule, I'm leading my shots.... but they still don't die.

Goddammitsomuch.jpg

(OK, sometimes they die, but not often / quickly enough.)

Just wait until State Rewind II

I mean, judging by the level of QQ when 3-Ls started getting hit with medium lasers, the reaction when they get reliably hit with AC40 is gonna be legendary.

[Vodrin Thales]

Davers, on 28 March 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

You must be new around here.

That's what I was thinking. Only better statement would be "no one complained about splat cats", or " no one complained about 3L Ravens".

Royalewithcheese, on 28 March 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

It's a new robot, ppl want to try it out. Just wait until Tuesday - if the assault jumpjets make the Highlander remotely effective as a poptart, y'all better be ready for:

A lot of people will try it out, but most will go back to the 3D cataphract due to the hardpoints being so low on the chasis. It will be a nasty secondary brawler though with jump jet turns at close range.

[jay35]

OpCentar, on 28 March 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Dual AC/20 K2 is inferior in speed to the Jäger, it can't mount an XL so it's easy to counter.

Actually, they trade positives and negatives. The K2 should be more surivable without the XL to go boom, and the arms are more likely to get shot off before the side torsos where the Ballistics are located on the K2. The Jager has the Ballistics more exposed in addition to running the XL.

[Wintersdark]

Inyc, on 28 March 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

I... I like my dual AC/10 quad ML Jaeger more... same alpha strike, more flexible. I also get to shoot every 2.5 / 3 seconds instead of every 4.

I honestly don't find the AC/20 Yagers that fearsome... Just shoot off their arms. Stock build has a whopping 14 armor there. Few people put more than 20.

What?

You can run 4ml, xl255 dual 20's and very nearly max armour everywhere with some shaved off the legs, 2pts off to arms and torsos, 35 rounds (which is more than enough ammo if you don't suck)

Who runs ac20 Jagermech's with light armor? That's just silly.

[Chavette]

MadPanda, on 28 March 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

You mean this guy?

What do you record with? My HDD cant seem to keep up with Fraps' barely compressed 1080p60, and I doubt everyone who ever put a 1080p gameplay vid on youtube has an SSD.

[Alistair Winter]

Dr Q, on 28 March 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Title says it all. Welcome to ac/20 warrior online. I have no problem taking them out, its just i'm liable to be upset whenever my last 3 games two ac40 jagermechs have killed my entire team even after i warn them not to get close.....
inb4 died to ac/20

These threads break my heart. Someone starts a thread with a valid point, and the forum hordes rush in to say "learn to play, noob".

Let me help you fend off the most low level trolls.

Q: Why is it a problem that a certain mech type is so popular?
A: It's sometimes an indication that other types are less efficient. This is fine if it's just a temporary situation, where the players haven't learned to adapt to a new tactic. However, if it persists for a long time, it probably means that the imbalance needs to be addressed if you want variety in the game.

Q: Why do you want to keep nerfing so many things? LRMs, ECM, Streaks, AC20...
A: For the sake of variety. What's the point having a lot of weapons and different mechs in a game, if 90% of the players are only using a small selection of these? If you want variety, you have to encourage players to try different builds.

Q: Why can't you just outrun them?
A: With ECM, you often can't see what kind of mechs are coming your way. And if you have weapons like SRM, medium lasers or large pulse lasers, staying at 500 meter range at all times is a bad tactic.

Q: Why can't you just shoot their arms off?
A: Because if they have the same skill level as you, they're likely to shoot you as much as you shoot them. All things being equal, it's easier for them to destroy components than vice versa, because they do 40 damage on one spot, rather than spreading it over several components.

The ballistic weapons in this game are not properly balanced, as made evident by the fact that the AC20 and UAC5 are far more powerful than the AC2, AC5 and AC10. With lasers, you see more variety. People are using pretty much all laser weapons except for the small lasers (which need to be improved, in order to be a viable option, IMO). With ballistic weapons, there's far less variety.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 28 March 2013 - 01:26 PM.