102 replies to this topic

[ReissTC]

2x and 4x need bigger engines. Completely outdone by the other light mechs for that reason. 2x would otherwise make a nice alternative to the Jenner, if using an SRM6.

4x needs indirect buff. MGs are pretty much the only ballistic it can mount, and everyone knows how awful those are. AC/2, at a stretch.

[Asakara]

I believe the 2X and 4X need a buff. I think that buff should be to allow them to use up to 295 rated engines so they can at least go as fast as every other light mech in the game.

In my opinion they are already penalized in the light-on-light game by not having ECM. I see no need to increase that disparity by forcing them to be slower as well.

Edited by Asakara, 03 April 2013 - 08:03 AM.

[Rippthrough]

Take the 295 off the 3L, give it to the 4X, make the 3L a 245 max, that should compensate somewhat for the benefit it has from streaks/ECM/hardpoints.

[Mister Blastman]

There are other mechs that need a buff--more importantly than the Raven. Mechs like the Hunchback. When PGI starts doing things like upping the max engine in a Hunch to say 325 or 335... and also making the two useless spider variants... useful THEN, THEN I'll consider supporting a buff to the more useless Raven builds.

[Deathlike]

Mister Blastman, on 03 April 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

There are other mechs that need a buff--more importantly than the Raven. Mechs like the Hunchback. When PGI starts doing things like upping the max engine in a Hunch to say 325 or 335... and also making the two useless spider variants... useful THEN, THEN I'll consider supporting a buff to the more useless Raven builds.

That's kinda selfish, in that you want buffs to other mechs but "screw you ideas if I don't get my way".

The proper approach to balance is to look at the issues objectively and go from there. I don't know how to buff the Spiders (especially the 5K) because I don't pilot them, but that doesn't mean I don't support buffing MGs because Spiders are crap in my world view. I want mechs to be competitive, but saying "if I won't get my fixes, you can't get your fixes" will never get balance changes seriously considered... for yours or mine.

[Wolf Clearwater]

I pilot both the Hunchies and the Spiders as well, yes they could use a little love too. However, the topic is Ravens. Thanks guys for your opinions so far and keeping it polite.

[FupDup]

Besides engine/MG buffs, the 2X and 4X really should have more module slots than the 3L for obvious reasons. Also, it would be nice if the 2X's left torso lasers got moved to the left arm for more pinpoint aiming (it would make the 2LL + 2ML bugzapper even deadlier, muhahahaha).

Edited by FupDup, 03 April 2013 - 08:22 AM.

[Garth Erlam]

Wolf87535, I think you will be happy in a patch or two.

[FupDup]

Garth Erlam, on 03 April 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Wolf87535, I think you will be happy in a patch or two.

Hint hint wink wink?

Edited by FupDup, 03 April 2013 - 08:23 AM.

[Rippthrough]

Garth's introducing a 40 ton raven variant with new bodywork panels and lots of lasers, and ecm, to give us an alternative to the 3L.

Long live the RVN-CDA.

Edited by Rippthrough, 03 April 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Wolf Clearwater]

Garth Erlam, on 03 April 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Wolf87535, I think you will be happy in a patch or two.

Thanks for paying attention Garth, I appreciate the response
Edit: now like a kid at Christmas, I am gonna be too excited to wait!

Edited by Wolf87535, 03 April 2013 - 08:30 AM.

[FupDup]

Rippthrough, on 03 April 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Garth's introducing a 40 ton raven variant with new bodywork panels and lots of lasers, and ecm, to give us an alternative to the 3L.

Long live the RVN-CDA.

They'll call it the RPT 2-X.


EDIT: Also, the people who chose the poll option "I hate Ravens" are probably just members of the Fatlas supremacy group that doesn't tolerate any mech below 45 tons just because the 3L is cheesy right now. If they took a step outside to smell the roses, they'd realize that pretty much every light except the 3L and maybe 2D are either balanced or underpowered.

Edited by FupDup, 03 April 2013 - 08:37 AM.

[Deathlike]

Garth Erlam, on 03 April 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Wolf87535, I think you will be happy in a patch or two.

This either means there's a Raven Hero next, or an ECM nerf.

Sounds like both, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 03 April 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

This either means there's a Raven Hero next, or an ECM nerf.

Sounds like both, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

It'll be the RVN-NMR

The "Nevermore."

[Wolf Clearwater]

Raven Hero would be awesome......with jump jets of course!

[Deathlike]

Wolf87535, on 03 April 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Raven Hero would be awesome......with jump jets of course!

The day that ECM+JJs+Missiles are put altogether in one mech... is the day the forum rolls over and dies.

[Royalewithcheese]

In the case of the 2X, it stands to reason that a cheap Davion knockoff is inferior to fine Capellan engineering.

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 03 April 2013 - 08:58 AM.

[Rayah]

*Remove ECM from 3L

*Give ECM to 4X

Royalewithcheese, on 03 April 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

It stands to reason that a cheap Davion knockoff is inferior to fine Capellan engineering.

Both of your designs are inferior.

[Royalewithcheese]

Rayzor, on 03 April 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Both of your designs are inferior.

3L mang. The fedsuns made the 3D out of our crappy Cataphract prototype tho so I guess it's even.

[Rayah]

Garth Erlam, on 03 April 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

Wolf87535, I think you will be happy in a patch or two.

Not if they're anything like this last patch...

I could play just fine with +/-20fps, but something in the patch slapped it back down to below 10fps, I literally cannot successfully play.

Edited by Rayzor, 03 April 2013 - 09:05 AM.