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[Chavette]

Karr285, on 03 April 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

6 Large laser = 54 damage, 450m range, 42 heat, 30 tons 12 crits. I run a stalker with this with 20 DHS and it works pretty good
6 ERCmed = 42 damage, 400m range, 30 heat, 6 ton 6 crit
8 ERCmed = 56 damage, 400m range, 40 heat, 8 tons 8 crits. <--- so any clan mech that can carry 8 energy can do more damage than a 6 large laser stalker with Ample room for even more DHS.

cough cough Black hawk anyone 12 er medium lasers just take 4 off and put a few more DHS and your 50toner now out damages an 85toner enjoy!

Only way you can fix that is letting IS have clan tech...

[FupDup]

Chavette, on 03 April 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Only way you can fix that is letting IS have clan tech...

Swayback + 9 CERML = IMMA FIRIN' MAH LAZOR!


...Although it would promptly overheat. Imagine a 3L with a CSSRM6 instead of 2 SSRM2, though...

Edited by FupDup, 03 April 2013 - 07:34 PM.

[Deathlike]

Short answer: They will have Clan DHS operate at less than the 1.4 DHS versions.
Long answer: For balance reasons.

Edited by Deathlike, 03 April 2013 - 07:34 PM.

[Davers]

Deathlike, on 03 April 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

Short answer: They will have Clan DHS operate at less than the 1.4 DHS versions.
Long answer: For balance reasons.

I thought they made DHS at 1.4 because the Clanners could carry more of them?

[Royalewithcheese]

I dunno what's scarier - thinking about the fact that the clanners have a 6 PPC Stalker (but with more heatsinks) as a stock variant, or thinking about what sort of absurdity you can fit on the direwolf.

[Franchi]

Davers, on 03 April 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

I thought they made DHS at 1.4 because the Clanners could carry more of them?

No it was becasue we would have jenners coring atlai in 4 seconds.

[FupDup]

Royalewithcheese, on 03 April 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

I dunno what's scarier - thinking about the fact that the clanners have a 6 PPC Stalker (but with more heatsinks) as a stock variant, or thinking about what sort of absurdity you can fit on the direwolf.

If Clanners don't have hardpoints to deal with, we can expect to see a Clan Gausszilla arise to take over the game's meta entirely.

[Karr285]

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Royalewithcheese, on 03 April 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

I dunno what's scarier - thinking about the fact that the clanners have a 6 PPC Stalker (but with more heatsinks) as a stock variant, or thinking about what sort of absurdity you can fit on the direwolf.

well you can put 8 energy weaps on a stock Diashi, and 8 CER PPCs weigh 48 tons and take 16 crits, (8 each arm which is dooable) for a massive 120 damage pinpoint alpha. you will shutdown cuz of the 88 heat BUT! you will 1 shot every mech in the game shy of a 90T or higher mech and when you do shutdown a light breeze will kill what you just hit

[aniviron]

FupDup, on 03 April 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Those examples are invalid. You are comparing a standard laser to an ER laser, which are not the same weapon. This is how it actually goes:

IS ER Medium Laser : 5 heat, 5 damage, 12 range
Clan ER Medium Laser* : 5 heat, 7 damage, 15 range

IS ER Small Laser : 2 heat, 3 damage, 5 range
Clan ER Small Laser* : 2 heat, 5 damage, 6 range


The Clan UAC/10 is a valid example that I overlooked, though. Also, Clanners don't have to run energy boats. They're more likely than not going to just run ballistic and/or missile boats to avoid overheating. Also, the CERML is basically a 1-ton IS Large Laser.

Nobody in their right mind would hold more than 4-6 of them, even assault mechs (sort of like our current 6 LL Stalkers). That extra tonnage will probably go into CLRMs and CGauss...

*coughnovacough*

The day I get to drop in a Nova is the day I sell my HBK-4P.
Nova Primary config:
12x cER MLAS
86kph, jump jets
10 tons of armor

HBK-4P
8x MLAS
64kph, no jump jets
10 tons of armor

Adding insult to injury, the Nova is about half as tall as its inner sphere cousin, making it significantly harder to hit.

[Star Captain Obvious Kerensky]

Clantech - Dual UAC20 with ECM running at 86 kph. Need I Say More?

[Davers]

Franchi, on 03 April 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

No it was becasue we would have jenners coring atlai in 4 seconds.

I see Atlases getting cored in four seconds all the time now. What was the big deal?

[Royalewithcheese]

Haha I remember the Nova. Absolutely devastating, but the Mechwarrior 2 AI didn't know how to drive the thing

[FupDup]

Eldragon, on 03 April 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Clantech - Dual UAC20 with ECM running at 86 kph. Need I Say More?

Or how about the Cheesebringer Prime that comes stock with ECM and SSRM6?

[OneEyed Jack]

FupDup, on 03 April 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

The OP seems to forget that we play MixMan Warrior Online.

[Prathios]

Davers, on 03 April 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

You are posting in a forum where every effective build has been called out as 'cheesy' and 'easy mode'. Yet you would want to see a whole faction of nothing but builds that would be superior to everything we have in game right now, and that only people of that faction would have access to. You don't see that as a problem?

My God you're right! How on earth did Mechwarrior 1-4 and LL get around this glaring issue... sigh.

[TML Winston]

I think the real issue with clans is that a hardpoint cant be a hardpoint, since OmniMechs can place whatever, wherever. Thus, put an AC20 on both arms of a "clan atlas" and see what happens? Omni = Omni.

[Scratx]

FupDup, on 03 April 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Those examples are invalid. You are comparing a standard laser to an ER laser, which are not the same weapon. This is how it actually goes:

*cough cough*

ER Medium :
Year Availability Clan = 2824 (CJF)
IS = 3058

ER Small :
Year Availability Clan = 2825
IS = 3058


Can you see the problem here?

[Royalewithcheese]

Ahahahahaha the Stone Rhino. I didn't know this thing existed. 2xGauss, enough space to run 2-3xERPPC without changing much, Jump Jets. Also, the jump jets are named "Grandthrust" which is pretty amazing too.

[OneEyed Jack]

Prathios, on 03 April 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

My God you're right! How on earth did Mechwarrior 1-4 and LL get around this glaring issue... sigh.

Well, Mechwarrior 1 got around it by coming out before the Clans were introduced.....

[Davers]

Prathios, on 03 April 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

My God you're right! How on earth did Mechwarrior 1-4 and LL get around this glaring issue... sigh.

Well, how did they?

Never played either, but what I have been hearing is that IS got to use a lot of Clan stuff, or they had their own equivalents. But in the timeline that PGI is going by, it will be years until the IS makes their own versions. And Clan tech isn't compatible with IS tech.

Now if they are going with BT canon, that means the Clans will have a large tech advantage for years of real time.