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[Glaive-]

valkyrie, on 04 April 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Dat Freudian slip.

Woops, silly me.
Fixed. Thank you for pointing that out.

[Airwind]

it is because of how MWO is.

In BT universe. mediums would be great for mission critical missions. packing the firepower and also the speed.
for situation like this in MWO where we are put into a "confined" map, any commander would tell you "if you can be in an assault mech, then always choose assault."

mediums do have their place. but this is some how restricted in mwo.

[Artgathan]

Royalewithcheese, on 04 April 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Assaults need to flank and use cover, too. As do heavies.

Agreed, but they're a bit more forgiving of mistakes.

[Roland]

If you want to make all mechs useful, you MUST account for tonnage.

Not just rough attempts to balance tonnage.. you need to actually impose hard tonnage limits. A spider needs to actually have some utility compared to the raven based on the fact that it is lighter.

Until this is accounted for, there are going to be a lot of mechs which are just sidelined, because one of their main benefits is that they are lighter than other "better" mechs.

[yashmack]

I love all my centurions and find that I rank in the top 3 frequently with them...

[Silentium]

I think they are great as escorts. This was the role i favored when i was still driving hunchbacks. Meds also make good backstabbers, especially the fast ones. That said, the survivability is less than you expect. It is almost counter intuitive; i always felt way more bad *** in a medium than i really had any right to expect.

[MadPanda]

I used to run hunchies, got 3 of them even mastered. You know what killed them for me? State rewind for lasers. I don't think people realized how much mediums also benefited from the lag shield. Fast hunchies and dragons were viable because of the lag shield (I know dragon is heavy but it feels like a medium). Now you can no longer do the run-around-brawl with them because everybody will hit you with their lasers and as a medium you just can't take those hits for long. Mediums are after all just above light mechs, so not a lot of armor for them either.

Now I'm not saying bring back the lag-shield, lol . Mediums (not cicada) should just get a max engine buff so they can go even faster. Gives them a little better chance to avoid damage in the absence of lag shield.

[Johnny Reb]

Drop limits/ tonnage limits will make every mech viable!

Edited by Johnny Reb, 04 April 2013 - 09:16 PM.

[Vasces Diablo]

My mastered Centurians would disagree with you....

[Tennex]

too bad this game is balanced by an *****.

nerf ECM
buff small ballistics (serously what could happen? the range is already **** light mechs have no other alternatives for those hardpoints)
buff medium mechs

Edited by Tennex, 04 April 2013 - 09:31 PM.

[Profiteer]

Every topic posted about mediums being under par attracts a handful of players that defend them, and talk about how they do 'x' damage and top leader-boards, and that mediums are fine.

That seems very odd to me.

I've never come across an atlas pilot saying "please don't buff my atlas, it's strong enough as is" or a cataphract pilot saying "I top the tables all the time in my cataphract, I hear you might make them a little stronger.... please don't."

Why would these self confused medium lovers NOT want mediums to get a little love?

Are medium pilots just such good sports they don't want a leg up?

Are they actually evil 3L pilots that don't want mediums ripping them apart?


The plot thickens...

[valkyrie]

Profiteer, on 04 April 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Every topic posted about mediums being under par attracts a handful of players that defend them, and talk about how they do 'x' damage and top leader-boards, and that mediums are fine.

That seems very odd to me.

I've never come across an atlas pilot saying "please don't buff my atlas, it's strong enough as is" or a cataphract pilot saying "I top the tables all the time in my cataphract, I hear you might make them a little stronger.... please don't."

Why would these self confused medium lovers NOT want mediums to get a little love?

Are medium pilots just such good sports they don't want a leg up?

Are they actually evil 3L pilots that don't want mediums ripping them apart?


The plot thickens...

Occam's Razor suggests they're just idiots. The fact that they may be confined to the steering wheel underhive by ELO reinforces this theory.

[MrMedallion]

I've only been playing this for two weeks but I enjoy medium mechs the most. I haven't gotten too heavy into the customization but they seem to work for me alright.

[TehSBGX]

I love me Mediums, but I have to Admit They need some love.

[Wintersdark]

Right now, Mediums are workable but do suffer to an extent. Come CW, I'm hoping to see actual tonnage limits on drops. Once there's specific tonnage limits, Mediums really shine because they can bring Heavy-like firepower in a much lighter package.

Until then? Well, this is the situation we have.

[Sephlock]

There are lots of forgotten promises. Get in line.

Knockdown, wherefore art thou?

[Rhent]

The OP has little game knowledge to write that. Play a Cent w/ 3 SRM 6's and 2ML and then tell me how they suck. Oh wait, they don't.

[KinLuu]

Removing class matching with the introduction of elo matching was one of the most special ideas I have ever witnessed.

[BoydofZINJ]

For the person complaining about mediums...

Do not play your medium like an Atlas. Likewise, do not play it like a Raven. Did you know a Hunchback or Cent or Treb can literally kill a light or assault 1 vs 1? I have seen Hunchback SPs literally out manuever an Atlas and hit rear Atlas armor multiple times and then chase down Ravens and shoot them down with superior weapons and have more armor than the Raven.

Then I have seen oddles and oddles of LRMs being blobbed by Mediums. Worse yet, they have the speed to keep out of range against a slow charging Atlas that is all small range.

So... does this not fit your workhorse... a mech that can kill anythign from lights to assaults, a mech that can go short range or long range, and a mech that is much cheaper and easier to get than an assault?

[Endarius]

OuttaAmmo NoWai, on 04 April 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

I see people whining about how "useless" they think mediums are on a daily basis.

And on a daily basis I top the scoreboards with my Cent and Trenchbucket.

I really don't know what people are on about

I concur. If you suck at piloting a balanced medium rig that is your problem. I do better in my Centurion than any other mech, and see lots of others doing well with all of the medium chassis. People need to stop equating their own failures with design flaws. Also you have a seperate elo for each weight class. This has been mentioned multiple times by the devs. Derp.