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[TruePoindexter]

Jammerben87, on 14 April 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

Ive since changed my build from the one i put above, cant link just now, but gone for a more rounded set up, less alpha but similar long term dps, and more survivable with a standard engine. Though with the one i put above i could blow holes in anything, i just tended to die in fireworks not long after. now using:

endo steel
double hs
1 jj

std 300
gauss (ra)
2 large pulses (la)
2 srm 4 (lt)
3 tonnes gauss ammo
2 tonnes srm ammo
fill the rest with hs.

Loving it just now, good for any situation, though when they release the other chassis and we can elite them for the 2x bonus i may go for a more heat dependant build.

Cool - if it works for you awesome! I too am excited for the remainder of the Highlanders so that I can get speed tweak and fast fire on my Heavy Metal.

Moenrg, on 14 April 2013 - 05:31 AM, said:

I've lost the side torso's enough (rare, but it happens) that I prefer this build with a standard engine. I also like a bit more armor on the legs as they get hit very often. Lastly I found 4xjj to be enough (the 5th is nice, but 4 gets you quite steady). The 3xLL in one arm are an absolute terror, and this has almost the same heat removal. Lights can be an issue when they get close, but I suspect when I elite this, that issue will go away.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8fc3919a93fc472

I've not had a problem with the side torsos but if you have dropping the XL definitely makes sense. Glad the overall concept is working out for you!

Summon3r, on 14 April 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

very nice video and nice use of your JJ's

what settings are you running the game at and what are your system specs if you dont mind me asking?

Not at all! I'm running with the game at 1920x1080 with medium settings except for AA which I have turned off. I average a solid 30 FPS which is sufficient for MWO. If this were a faster game like UT I would probably drop my settings more. Some of my older videos look worse because the game wasn't as optimized then forcing me to run at low settings.

My computer is a home build machine with an AMD Phenom II 1090T six core processor clocked at 4.0ghz. 16gb of ram and an Nvidia 560TI for my GPU. It's a little dated now but still solid.

Amsro, on 14 April 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

Similar build. drop the xl and 4 jump jets

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9f03b753dad7eec

Cool! Let me know how it works for you with the modifications!

[Rhae]

Bought the Heavy Metal on the weekend and trying out your build Tru; absolutely loving it! You're definitely right about the pinpoint damage on this thing and having JJs on an assault makes a hell of a difference in playstyle.

Was trying to work out a way to fit the missiles back in but I don't see how its possible without either downgrading the LLs, or stripping a lot of armour.

Can't wait for the other Highlander variants to finally Elite this baby...

[Amsro]

TruePoindexter, on 14 April 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

Cool! Let me know how it works for you with the modifications!

Been working great, the difference between 1 and 4 jump jets isn't too noticeable. but lasting longer helps a lot.

[Eboli]

Here is my loadout : http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9e952bb6fba03d6

I have to admit that I am struggling a little bit but this is probably because I am coming to this mech from a 1600+ games (95% of all games) Jenner player.

My main struggles is overextending myself and leaving myself exposed. Although when I do manage to stay within a pack the damage that this beast deals out is scary. More experience in a slow assault mech will fix my ailments and I am keeping away from my Jenners in order to help speed up my gameplay learning for this mech.

The one good thing about coming from a fast light background is that my aim is very good and I am definitely looking forward to ballistics/missile rollback as I am an Aussie suffering from approx 250 ping.

Cheers!
Eboli

[TruePoindexter]

Rhae, on 14 April 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Bought the Heavy Metal on the weekend and trying out your build Tru; absolutely loving it! You're definitely right about the pinpoint damage on this thing and having JJs on an assault makes a hell of a difference in playstyle.

Was trying to work out a way to fit the missiles back in but I don't see how its possible without either downgrading the LLs, or stripping a lot of armour.

Can't wait for the other Highlander variants to finally Elite this baby...

Thanks! Glad it's working for you. My initial takes had 2 SSRM2 as well but it just felt unnecessary. Mounting larger SRM packs started requiring compromises and in the end didn't contribute much. I can't wait for the other Highlanders either to get elites. Speed tweak and 2x basics will make a huge difference on the Heavy Metal.

Amsro, on 14 April 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Been working great, the difference between 1 and 4 jump jets isn't too noticeable. but lasting longer helps a lot.

Great! Yeah I enjoy having the max flight time of 5 jj but if it works for you with 4 who am I to argue?

Eboli, on 14 April 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Here is my loadout : http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9e952bb6fba03d6

I have to admit that I am struggling a little bit but this is probably because I am coming to this mech from a 1600+ games (95% of all games) Jenner player.

My main struggles is overextending myself and leaving myself exposed. Although when I do manage to stay within a pack the damage that this beast deals out is scary. More experience in a slow assault mech will fix my ailments and I am keeping away from my Jenners in order to help speed up my gameplay learning for this mech.

The one good thing about coming from a fast light background is that my aim is very good and I am definitely looking forward to ballistics/missile rollback as I am an Aussie suffering from approx 250 ping.

Cheers!
Eboli

Yeah it's a totally different mindset to work in the realm of assault mechs. You have to be very careful with position as it's almost impossible to withdraw once extended. It's a fun change of pace though.

[Mister Dubis]

i just saw your build and i chuckled. I run the same thing minus the endo for FF and 2 less DHS. As long as i watch my heat levels i can take more hits and go toe to toe with most other assaults pretty effectively.

[One Medic Army]

Mister Dubis, on 15 April 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

i just saw your build and i chuckled. I run the same thing minus the endo for FF and 2 less DHS. As long as i watch my heat levels i can take more hits and go toe to toe with most other assaults pretty effectively.

If you used Endo instead you could fit another DHS.
You should really swap, Ferro is purely weight savings and in that respect it is strictly inferior to Endo.
Despite possible interpretations of the description Ferro does not provide any more protection, it just weighs less.

[Jam the Bam]

Anyone tried anything like this yet:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4282003029cfad2

Im determined to find something to use LPL's on properly.

[dyndragon]

Jammerben87, on 15 April 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

Anyone tried anything like this yet:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4282003029cfad2

Im determined to find something to use LPL's on properly.

My buddy runs a similar build with LPLs when we play together. We compliment each other because my LLs have a bit more reach than his LPLs. He's usually the guy yelling SURPRISE when someone tries coming after me.

Just remember that your reach is not nearly as far and you'll be fine. Also, hot maps pose more of a problem unless you sacrifice some weight for more HS.

[Mister Dubis]

One Medic Army, on 15 April 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

If you used Endo instead you could fit another DHS.
You should really swap, Ferro is purely weight savings and in that respect it is strictly inferior to Endo.
Despite possible interpretations of the description Ferro does not provide any more protection, it just weighs less.

What FF does do is allow me to max my armour as i can still alpha enough without much worry. another DHS wont do too much for heat as this build has 3LL's. Endo would probably allow me to put an SRM on that guy. just to say hello to the lights.

[Jam the Bam]

dyndragon, on 15 April 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

My buddy runs a similar build with LPLs when we play together. We compliment each other because my LLs have a bit more reach than his LPLs. He's usually the guy yelling SURPRISE when someone tries coming after me.

Just remember that your reach is not nearly as far and you'll be fine. Also, hot maps pose more of a problem unless you sacrifice some weight for more HS.

Im going to try that build tonight, what Im actually running just now is 2 LPL plus 2 SRM 4's which produces decent dps on paper and seems to work well in game too, my favourite build so far, but I love the pinpoint damage of the LPL and would like to see what happens if I squeeze a third on.

[NRP]

My HM really needs 2x basic efficiencies, fast fire, and the speed tweak.

[One Medic Army]

Mister Dubis, on 15 April 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

What FF does do is allow me to max my armour as i can still alpha enough without much worry. another DHS wont do too much for heat as this build has 3LL's. Endo would probably allow me to put an SRM on that guy. just to say hello to the lights.

And my point was that Endo would also let you max your armor, and leave you with spare tonnage besides.

[TruePoindexter]

Mister Dubis, on 15 April 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

i just saw your build and i chuckled. I run the same thing minus the endo for FF and 2 less DHS. As long as i watch my heat levels i can take more hits and go toe to toe with most other assaults pretty effectively.

One Medic Army, on 15 April 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

If you used Endo instead you could fit another DHS.
You should really swap, Ferro is purely weight savings and in that respect it is strictly inferior to Endo.
Despite possible interpretations of the description Ferro does not provide any more protection, it just weighs less.

*nods* Endo is always superior to FF. FF is only really applicable after Endo is already applied. You can test this out in the smurfy mechlab. http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab Glad the build overall works for you though!

Jammerben87, on 15 April 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

Anyone tried anything like this yet:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4282003029cfad2

Im determined to find something to use LPL's on properly.

dyndragon, on 15 April 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

My buddy runs a similar build with LPLs when we play together. We compliment each other because my LLs have a bit more reach than his LPLs. He's usually the guy yelling SURPRISE when someone tries coming after me.

Just remember that your reach is not nearly as far and you'll be fine. Also, hot maps pose more of a problem unless you sacrifice some weight for more HS.

LPL's are interesting. Conceptually they are inferior to PPC's except for the fact that they're a laser with no flight time. Otherwise the range issue is a problem with the current meta. If you can work around this though that'll give you a 30 point strike with the arm instead of 27 and sometimes those 3 points of damage make the difference.

NRP, on 15 April 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

My HM really needs 2x basic efficiencies, fast fire, and the speed tweak.

It does. Tomorrow... it all begins tomorrow...

[Eboli]

I have made some modifications to my HM.

I noticed that having an XL Engine shortened my lifespan when it came to LT or RT engine destruction and thus have now changed to a 300 Standard to give me a blistering pace of 54km/h. I put in Endo as well but dropped the SRMs to stick with a basic Guass (4t ammo) and 3 x LLs, 2JJs.

Looking forward to buying 2 standard Highlanders tomorrow so I can get Master on this one.

Cheers
Eboli.

[TruePoindexter]

Eboli, on 15 April 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

I have made some modifications to my HM.

I noticed that having an XL Engine shortened my lifespan when it came to LT or RT engine destruction and thus have now changed to a 300 Standard to give me a blistering pace of 54km/h. I put in Endo as well but dropped the SRMs to stick with a basic Guass (4t ammo) and 3 x LLs, 2JJs.

Looking forward to buying 2 standard Highlanders tomorrow so I can get Master on this one.

Cheers
Eboli.

Cool! I can definitely see switching to an STD if it's an issue. Is it working better for you?

I am really excited for the standard Highlanders. 2x basics will be wonderful.

[Wrenchfarm]

Mister Dubis, on 15 April 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

What FF does do is allow me to max my armour as i can still alpha enough without much worry. another DHS wont do too much for heat as this build has 3LL's. Endo would probably allow me to put an SRM on that guy. just to say hello to the lights.

Yeah, the description on FF is misleading. Endo and Ferro do the exact same thing for the exact same number of slots, only Endo saves more weight every single time.

Ferro is only useful on light mechs that need every scrimp of tonnage (and generally only carry minimal weapons). I wish Ferro gave some kind of specific boost to armour or what have you, but it just doesn't. Swap to Endo if/when you can afford it.

And don't feel bad. A lot of us have made the same mistake. Blame Ferros description.

[TruePoindexter]

Wrenchfarm, on 15 April 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Yeah, the description on FF is misleading. Endo and Ferro do the exact same thing for the exact same number of slots, only Endo saves more weight every single time.

Ferro is only useful on light mechs that need every scrimp of tonnage (and generally only carry minimal weapons). I wish Ferro gave some kind of specific boost to armour or what have you, but it just doesn't. Swap to Endo if/when you can afford it.

And don't feel bad. A lot of us have made the same mistake. Blame Ferros description.

*nods* It is very misleading and a bit counter to what you would think. Why wouldn't armor be better than structure? Isn't armor more important? Unfortunately the creators of Battletech didn't think so. I have managed to fit both ES and FF into some Centurions and Dragons. My Flame as an example:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e98c620a6b3f646

Definitely still the exception to the rule though and there is never an instance where FF is superior to ES.

[Mister Dubis]

TruePoindexter, on 15 April 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

*nods* It is very misleading and a bit counter to what you would think. Why wouldn't armor be better than structure? Isn't armor more important? Unfortunately the creators of Battletech didn't think so. I have managed to fit both ES and FF into some Centurions and Dragons. My Flame as an example:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e98c620a6b3f646

Definitely still the exception to the rule though and there is never an instance where FF is superior to ES.

either way im still very heat efficient especially if I chain fire the LL. I don't really care all that much on which to use unless im completely strapped for tonnage. Then I roll with endo over FF everytime. actually, pretty much all my mechs use endo minus the assualt mechs I own in which its no FF nor Endo. They take up too many crit spaces that can be used for weapons on an assault.

[Jam the Bam]

I ran the 3 x LPL's last night, and did some evil things to many mechs once I got on range and could control my mech.

Favourite bit was sticking them on chain fire and drilling through the side of a stalker as he tried to back away, with the .5s duration it puts the damage on far more accurately than the LL's, at least for me, got some high damage matches out of that, very much enjoying the pulses over the standards.

Just a note for anyone else building highlanders, Ive won every 1v1 against another HM in the last week with my LPL's because Ive drilled through their side torsos to the XL underneath, with the LL's you are exposed for a long time against certain builds so be careful with that engine.