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[tayhimself]

No because MWO doesn't have _____y.

[TalonOne]

http://youtu.be/-lOkCqcBfxU

Bam. History of the BattleTech Universe in one short video.

[Delas Ting Usee]

Does this mean I can start calling people in chat..."B@$Tard$"

Edited by Delas Ting Usee, 11 April 2013 - 09:44 AM.

[verybad]

More like Game of Thrones is Battletech without space (or tech).

Battletech is pretty damned old, and it's got a lot of depth, and a lot of conspiracies in it's background (it's mostly about conspiracies, some of which work, some of which go laughably wrong.

Nobody gets hurt though (well actually, trillions have died in the succession wars, but it's all about the best leaders getting to run the show right?)

[GODzillaGSPB]

DustMonkey, on 11 April 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

That's how I had the lore explained to me. What would you guys say to summarize the whole battletech lore? Would you agree with the explanation I was given?

No. But MechWarrior is. You know, that's what MWO is based on.

[Davers]

While GoT might be a modern analogy, it was originally more of Dune with Mechs.

[WassonG]

MWO is pretty low on it's arbitrary **** quota.

[Viper69]

WassonG, on 11 April 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

MWO is pretty low on it's arbitrary **** quota.

I can show you mine but you have to dig them out of my atlas's smoking cockpit.

[Nonsense]

Stop trying to summarize everything and just read stuff if you're interested.

[Skunk Wolf]

Battletech is Megaforce. That's all you need to know.

http://youtu.be/-KpfKp-gv6s

I'm a terrible person. More so if you make it through that.

Edited by Skunk Wolf, 11 April 2013 - 11:43 AM.

[Victor Morson]

There's a lot of similarities between the lore and that kind of fiction, but that's because BattleTech originally was largely based on the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, with the Clans initially being based on Genghis Khan.

By comparison, Game of Thrones was based largely on the War of the Roses, which I'm sure served as inspiration for more than a few storylines in the BattleTech universe too.

So while one is sci-fi and the other is fantasy, they're largely inspired by historical events - so while the characters and setting are different, they both do have that same "feel" at a background level.

Oh yeah, as a side note, you'd need an ENTIRELY different drinking game - a serious lack of rampant nudity and severed heads in BattleTech.

Edited by Victor Morson, 11 April 2013 - 11:48 AM.

[Victor Morson]

Davers, on 11 April 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

While GoT might be a modern analogy, it was originally more of Dune with Mechs.

Dune? What? BattleTech is nothing at all even remotely like Dune. Not even close.

... well, except the old Westwood games. The way the Dune universe was portrayed in the grandaddy of RTS, Dune 2, was very very close to a BattleTech style feel. I was actually shocked to find when looking into the extended universe that Dune is holy-crap levels of crazy (esp in later books) and wasn't nearly as grounded as that game lead me to believe.

I'm just wondering if that's what you're basing that statement on, and not the books. But I'm having a hard time even thinking of how to compare BattleTech to the actual Dune source material, aside from there being some houses, I guess. I mean the "religious"/Prophecy/psychic stuff is so important to that series and non-existent in BattleTech.

Fun fact speaking of religion: Almost all Earth religions are still around in various parts of the universe. For example, a huge portion of the Marik population is Hindu. I don't know why cool details like that are so downplayed that they're trivia, I think it adds a lot of character.

Edited by Victor Morson, 11 April 2013 - 11:53 AM.

[Skunk Wolf]

Victor Morson, on 11 April 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

There's a lot of similarities between the lore and that kind of fiction, but that's because BattleTech originally was largely based on the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, with the Clans initially being based on Genghis Khan.

By comparison, Game of Thrones was based largely on the War of the Roses, which I'm sure served as inspiration for more than a few storylines in the BattleTech universe too.

So while one is sci-fi and the other is fantasy, they're largely inspired by historical events - so while the characters and setting are different, they both do have that same "feel" at a background level.

Oh yeah, as a side note, you'd need an ENTIRELY different drinking game - a serious lack of rampant nudity and severed heads in BattleTech.

I think you're on to something. It'd be a tough sell for any kind of giant robot production in Europe or North America that didn't have a big name or gimmick tied to it.

[LauLiao]

Victor Morson, on 11 April 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Dune? What? BattleTech is nothing at all even remotely like Dune. Not even close.

... well, except the old Westwood games. The way the Dune universe was portrayed in the grandaddy of RTS, Dune 2, was very very close to a BattleTech style feel. I was actually shocked to find when looking into the extended universe that Dune is holy-crap levels of crazy (esp in later books) and wasn't nearly as grounded as that game lead me to believe.

I'm just wondering if that's what you're basing that statement on, and not the books. But I'm having a hard time even thinking of how to compare BattleTech to the actual Dune source material, aside from there being some houses, I guess. I mean the "religious"/Prophecy/psychic stuff is so important to that series and non-existent in BattleTech.

Fun fact speaking of religion: Almost all Earth religions are still around in various parts of the universe. For example, a huge portion of the Marik population is Hindu. I don't know why cool details like that are so downplayed that they're trivia, I think it adds a lot of character.

ComStar = Spice guild?

[Roadbeer]

Victor Morson, on 11 April 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

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I think the analog was for "houses" fighting over resources. Which when you get down to it.... makes as much sense as any analogy.

[Victor Morson]

Roadbeer, on 11 April 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

I think the analog was for "houses" fighting over resources. Which when you get down to it.... makes as much sense as any analogy.

I could totally see that being the first thought, but even the way the houses were in Dune were so different it's.. really, Dune is just one of those massive space operas that's at complete odds with BattleTech's far-less-fantastical approach. Not saying either is bad, just that they're so different it's hard to compare them.

I think the whole technology thing might be part of why someone would think that too, except the reasoning as to why technology is so far behind in some ways is so different it's hard to compare that too. I know the later Dune story lines center almost entirely on the supernatural aspect, and you could argue it always did.

Not knocking anything, just saying as far as sci-fi goes, they're Apples and Oranges.

EDIT: I only brought up the Westwood game because it was devoid of all of that, added functional military vehicles and brought in a new cool 3rd house. When I was much younger and had no idea what Dune was, I thought it was VERY close to BattleTech.. only to spend nearly 4 hours with my jaw wide open going "What?" when I watched the movie (as a kid, no less) a months later. I didn't even know it was a book.

To be fair, I kind of liked their take on the universe better than the source take, amusingly, because it was way more grounded and felt like an epic three-way battle for the most important resource in the galaxy and my tastes lean more towards the grounded.

Edited by Victor Morson, 11 April 2013 - 12:10 PM.

[Roadbeer]

Well, yeah.. I mean each has it's own flavor depending on where you're coming from, and how to make it appeal to the person you're explaining to too... you could have used Tolkien as an analogy (Pre-Hobbit - LOTR, book format only) to explain the factions if that's going to get the point across to the listener.

I think GoT and Dune are as good of a descriptor as any to make it appeal to the broader sci-fi/fantasy fan without getting hyper-specific.

[Geminus]

Wardan, on 11 April 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

A song of fire and ice was written in 1996. Battletech was launched in 1984.

Better question.

Is Game of thrones battletech without mechs?

Think my lance mate said it best

[Shazarad]

Battletech > Game of Breaking Bad Houses and/or Thrones with a chance of Walking Dead.

[Trauglodyte]

Mycrus, on 11 April 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

and the urbie is tyrion...

LOL