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[Valdez Raptor]

Now I don't think anyone should listen to everything that happens on these forums, but it seems to be the big huge glaring things PGI seems to ignore.

Ex. The HUGE posts on no third person view ever, massive support of no. What does PGI do, even though there are bugs in the game, and other things to handle? Work on third person view. Despite the minority of people that actual want it.

Another was when one of the Dev's mentioned (albeit this can be taken out of context and may sound worse than it is) that they'll pay more attention to the person who's posted a few times aka their first post than someone who's posted a thousand times.

We talk about bug fixes they add in more content. Not simple bugs but glaring bugs that lead to disconnects.

We ask for the ability to reconnect in our games, we are told no.

We want an in game system to report bad players/bots/griefers. We don't have that.

We talk about how base caps are too fast, something mentioned on day 1 of Beta, no change on that.

What does everyone else think? Do you think PGI is ignoring us on the more important topics?

Edited by Valdez Raptor, 02 April 2013 - 08:44 PM.

[Lokust Davion]

PGI only listens to IGP.

[Kiiyor]

PGI listen. They just don't always acknowledge it until they are good and ready. I wouldn't either around here.

"ok guys, we have a response for... JESUS, WHO THREW THAT PITCHFORK?"

Acknowledging an issue is one thing; having to sit through 10 pages of replies where people tell them they were right all along or that they can't believe it took so long to reply I mean come on I know this guy that programs and he could fix everything in an hour and I know you have to test new content and I accept that as long as you give me what I want right noooooow and PGI have said its a beta but they still make me pay and they said it was a beta but screw them I want the whole lot right nooooow and EVERYTHING IS UNACCEPTABLE.

Pfft. I love the self righteous indignant rage around here, it provides amazing entertainment. However, I can totally see how caustic it would be to people on the dev team.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

theyve told us polls dont matter because the forumgoing % of players is so small, though

Lokust Davion, on 02 April 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

PGI only listens to IGP.

this, oh and the majority of players who dont ever spend any time on the forums or talk to them.

[Helmer]

Listen? Yes, 100% of the time.

The individual Developers read the forums, Garth compiles info from the forums, Niko Snow compiles even more feedback from the forums, moderators poke developers with posts, forum users PM Devs.... there's ALOT of listening (reading) going on.

I can assure you , YES, PGI does a whole lot of reading. They might not respond to every thread (Think about how boring it would be if Garth posted in every thread.. "Yes, thank you. We hear you" . Would users really want that? People would tune it out after awhile.) But they are very aware of whats going on.





Cheers.

Edited by Helmer, 03 April 2013 - 10:58 AM.

[TehSBGX]

They Listen sometimes, Like with Coolant and Splash Damage. Although they should listen a bit more, Sure we're rage fiends but we do mean well.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Read/see does not equal listen. If they listened, ECM/BAP would have been fixed months ago, assuming ECM was even dropped on us in the state it was. It's almost 5 months now since that horrible patch happened. Still not fixed, despite months of complaints from their community. It wasn't until recently that they even acknowledged that something "might be" wrong with it. At this point we're going for a "better late than never..." rationalization.

[Helmer]

Bluten, on 02 April 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Read/see does not equal listen. If they listened, ECM/BAP would have been fixed months ago, assuming ECM was even dropped on us in the state it was.

Listening does not equate to agree with.



Cheers.

Edited by Helmer, 02 April 2013 - 11:12 PM.
Stupid iphone.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Helmer, on 02 April 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Listeing does not equate to agree with.



Cheers.

like I keep saying. ECM is working as intended. They said that in interviews remember?

also;

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Roadbeer, on 21 March 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Bryan, please answer this honestly. I have seen 2 polls on this topic and they have been OVERWHELMINGLY against 3rd person. Why are you guys so stuck on this when clearly the players (by majority) don't want it?

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Honest answer.

The analysis on those who voted, showed that the majority of votes came from a very narrow demographic of our player base. And while they represent some of core players, they did not necessarily represent the opinion of the general user base. The majority of our players never visit, post, or read the forum content, so the poll could be considered weighted in favour of a specific demographic.

Since the majority of players who have an issue with 3rd person come generally from the core players, we elected to address this issue via this forum post to collect all of the concerns and ideas that this group faces or has with 3rd person.

Listen also does not equate to care vs the rest of the playerbase who never post on the forums at all.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 02 April 2013 - 09:45 PM.

[Chavette]

They listen to us 110% of the time, and love us 200% of the time.

With all the care and pampering we get, I'm sure they('d) make great parents!

Edited by Chavette, 02 April 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[The Cheese]

I think they do listen. I also think that we're not actually playing the full game yet and that what seems like a good idea now might not seem so good once all of the planned features are implemented. We're not even using the full version of the UI yet.

I also think they they're trying to run a business. If the game isn't going to rake in enough money as it is (or was intended to be), it's the responsibility of the developers to take measures to generate more income. Sometimes that means decisions need to be made that'll make them unpopular.

I guess I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt with the paragraph above. I don't know what their income is like, but I do know that MW/BT appeals to a somewhat limited audience, which means an even smaller pool of potentially paying customers.

Granted, saying you'll never ever ever do something, then turning around and saying that you're now going to do it, isn't a great idea. Can't defend that. The controversial posts and external communications regarding how they (and yes, when an IGP/PGI message comes up, it is on behalf of the whole entity, not just that poster) feel about posters or forumites or whatever, well that's just terrible PR. Can't defend that.

From what I can see, most of the big issues we've seen have either stemmed directly from or at least been exacerbated by the poor communication from the powers above rather than by the issues themselves.

Edited by The Cheese, 02 April 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[Stone Profit]

Helmer, on 02 April 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Listeing does not equate to agree with.



Cheers.

Quoted. For. TRUTH.

[DaZur]

PGI does nothing but fix bugs = Community backlash because the game is stale and no apparent progress is being made to move the game forward...

PGI adds content = Community accuses them of being short-sighted and not focusing on important bug fixes...

PGI adds content AND fixes some bugs = Community utters a resounding "meh" because they didn't do enough of either to placate polar extremes...

My ain't we a fickle bunch?

I'm at a point where PGI could turn a Poodle **** into a gold bar and I believe there are members who would still complain.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

DaZur, on 02 April 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

PGI does nothing but fix bugs = Community backlash because the game is stale and no apparent progress is being made to move the game forward...

PGI adds content = Community accuses them of being short-sighted and not focusing on important bug fixes...

PGI adds content AND fixes some bugs = Community utters a resounding "meh" because they didn't do enough of either to placate polar extremes...

My ain't we a fickle bunch?

I'm at a point where PGI could turn a Poodle **** into a gold bar and I believe there are members who would still complain.

Dont forget:
Announces in an interview that we'll have to pay to join merc companies
MASSIVE **** storm
Blames author
Everything's cool

Guess they do listen lol

[Eleshod]

They listen, doesn't mean they care nor want to adjust the game due to your opinion or the opinion of a small/large group.

[Texas Merc]

I have been told to take a break(don't play don't spend money) so I guess that's what I will do. Hell with the constant FPS drops and NEW/OLD bugs why the hell not.

niko you are a shill and you need not comment just gather data that's your job right?

this is general discussion and in general the game is almost unplayable for the majority I.E. lots o people mad about not being able to play robots

[Primetimex]

PGI is so good that it even manages to prevent the Geforce TITAN from getting in-game - GTX 690 black screen, GTX Titan still the same - GREAT JOB PGI CONGRATS.

[Eleshod]

Primetimex, on 02 April 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

PGI is so good that it even manages to prevent the Geforce TITAN from getting in-game - GTX 690 black screen, GTX Titan still the same - GREAT JOB PGI CONGRATS.

Sounds like an issue with Cryengine to me

[Ryvucz]

They listen, they just don't hold everyone's hand for answers.

You could say it's similar to how an actor/actress/singer responds to fans.

There's a lot of people out there, and as much as they would like to spend one on one with people, it's impossible with the amount of fans involved.

Try to get a more realistic approach to things, and it might change your perception.

[Texas Merc]

Nick LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE lulz PLAY THE GAME AND ASK IN GAME. 75% were having problems. no acknowledgement. not even going into the other gripes people have that they don't acknowledge. I guess the only reason they still have jobs is because they cant get people to replace them?

also raspberry tea is delicious but I prefer pomegranate