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[Jeff K Notagoon]

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

So apparently I'm an *** for not charging 3 assault mechs with a raven...

....of course the rest of my team is dead.

Yes, I'm running
No, I'm not charging 3 assaults standing shoulder to shoulder that you barely scratched.
No, I don't give a crap if its wasting your time, don't suck and you would won't leave lights in a 1 on 4
Yeah, I'm trying to string them out, I can't do that if I stand there and die.

Oh and before you call me out for not fighting...have more kills than me.


These things crack me up

Don't people know that they're allowed to leave the match after they die?

[KarrRadane]

Vassago Rain, on 13 April 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

The thing is, you're not gonna win in your raven against 6 other guys, and making the 7 other players on your team mad that they have to wait another 8 minutes for you to die is spiteful.

Normally your good for a listen and learn but this is just full of fail.... a win is a win I will not die to satisfy impatient or imprudent players..the game is 15mins you don't like it leave!!!

[Yokaiko]

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

And this is why we have hackers, and script kiddies and asshats that just get away with it.

I've been playing online games for nearly 13 years now, I'm well aware of the toxic environment that the internet open's up. But instead of just accepting it, I've studied it and put an effort to learn why it's like that, and the reason is because you're not getting the emotional, physical cue's of emotional distress that you get when interacting with someone IRL.

Also instead of giving in to the "dark side" as it were, I choose to attempt to empathize with those on the internet. And to not be "That guy." I play by the rules, I don't hack, I don't cheat, and I don't **** people off because it's funny. Because I've been tread on all my life and you know what, It's a ****** thing and it sucks when you're treated like crap, by family, or by other people.

So do forgive me if I'm a bit more, understanding of your position on the internet, I try to make an effort to care.

I don't hack and I don't cheat because there is no challenge on it. I'm one of the people that LIKED R&R because the added risk of getting expensive crap blown off was fun to me.

Trying to understand people on the internet is a false economy to me, I always took a more base view of the entire thing. People are ***** because they can get away with. People are very brave when you can't punch them for running their mouths, plain and simple.

[Zylo]

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

Not entirely.

Though I see where you could make that argument stone, while I may get angry over his actions, I atleast, understand his position, However he's looking down on everyone else, from his throne of "52 fully pimped out mechs". As such he doesn't care about anyone else on the playing field. That's a sociopathic view of the world. Getting angry at someone for treading on you like you're dirt, not so much sociopathic.

And Zylo, the same could be said for you.

There is a pretty big difference in playing to win and telling others they are wrong for playing the game in a way you don't agree with.

I suspect we do at least agree on 1 topic though, being against cheaters.

Edited by Zylo, 13 April 2013 - 02:16 PM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

I don't hack and I don't cheat because there is no challenge on it. I'm one of the people that LIKED R&R because the added risk of getting expensive crap blown off was fun to me.

Trying to understand people on the internet is a false economy to me, I always took a more base view of the entire thing. People are ***** because they can get away with. People are very brave when you can't punch them for running their mouths, plain and simple.

We have something we can agree on, I really miss R&R because there's a danger, there's a penalty for loosing, and makes longer, more thought out games more interesting. I entirely agree with you there.

And I agree with you on your point about people on the internet, there's a myriad of reasons why people act like jerks on the net... but the psychology behind it stays the same, no matter if people want to see it or not. There IS a psychology behind why people act the way they do on the internet, part of it is because there are no repercussions to your actions.

Regardless, what mode do you play most?

Zylo, on 13 April 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

There is a pretty big difference in playing to win and telling others they are wrong for playing the game in a way you don't agree with.

You've advocated your play style as much as I've advocated mine. You've also blamed others for your own shortcomings. I too am guilty of as much.

Pot, Kettle. We're both guilty of it, I admit it.

[TehSBGX]

Syllogy, on 13 April 2013 - 06:05 AM, said:

Close enough. 5:1 says that she could walk into a Battletech Convention and win every TT match.

I'm pretty sure that was Paris Hilton.... My cat could beat her at BT.

[Noob Weapons]

Vassago Rain, on 13 April 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

No, not really. They go power down in a corner, or make you chase them all over.

I've only rarely seen anyone win doing this, and I've been here since the game first opened. It's purely a spitting move.



Actually, I have two DDCs set up in my queue, and my founder atlas. Still doesn't make it okay that people lock them in 15 minute games for no reason.

Think of it as a lesson: Die quickly in the match, and you get to watch someone else stay alive. Whine all you want at that player, they are living and you suicided into the three assaults.

[Yokaiko]

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Regardless, what mode do you play most?

Varies completely by mood.


Generally I try to be helpful, up until the internet break lose, and then I can be as big of a troll as anyone out there. I started that game peaking over ridges and calling grids.

TehSBGX, on 13 April 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that was Paris Hilton.... My cat could beat her at BT.

They had her on the radio here she couldn't remember the names of all of her cats.

[Greyfyl]

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

I work 44 hours a week and go to class 10 or so. Tell me more about being busy,

I'm sure you have 3 girlfriends that are all models and work for NASA on the side too. Chances are you have a cure for cancer and a way to create world peace as well.

I love internet asshats like you, no matter what anyone claims to have done, you have done it better and more often. You make the internet......well the internet.

[Yokaiko]

G[quote name='Greyfyl, on 13 April 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

I'm sure you have 3 girlfriends that are all models and work for NASA on the side too. Chances are you have a cure for cancer and a way to create world peace as well.

I love internet asshats like you, no matter what anyone claims to have done, you have done it better and more often. You make the internet......well the internet.

Simple fact.

Bet it would really make you mad to find out that despite my salary being over the average US income I make an additional 1,700 a month with the GI bill, and THEN go back and hit my company for the tuition and bank it.

But please tell me more about my life.6

Edited by Yokaiko, 13 April 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[Stone Profit]

Greyfyl, on 13 April 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

I'm sure you have 3 girlfriends that are all models and work for NASA on the side too. Chances are you have a cure for cancer and a way to create world peace as well.

I love internet asshats like you, no matter what anyone claims to have done, you have done it better and more often. You make the internet......well the internet.

Sounds like someones mad, bro.
I like how you assume you know, and WAY over generalize to try to make your point. Are you aware what a straw man logical fallacy is? Cause you just made one. Or is it an Ad Hominim...

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Simple fact.

Your rage amuses me. I love the internet.

It amuses me when people dont know how to construct an argument
(not you, them)

[Zylo]

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

You've advocated your play style as much as I've advocated mine. You've also blamed others for your own shortcomings. I too am guilty of as much.

Pot, Kettle. We're both guilty of it, I admit it.

Different playstyles are fine but there are going to be problems when some players with the "only C-bill gains matter" playstyle end up in the same game as those who play to win and consider survival part of their ideal win conditions.

I happen to fit into this group that plays to win but also does everything possible to survive the fight (maybe because I suspect repair/rearm might make a return) and we both know that playstyle really wasn't compatible with most of the casual ELP members when I was a member.

Neither playstyle is wrong but they often aren't compatible.

It is wrong when a player tries to force their playstyle on others such as a player interested in fast matches revealing the position of their remaining light who was trying to win by sneaking around the longest path to cap the enemy base for the win.

[Yokaiko]

Stone Profit, on 13 April 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

It amuses me when people dont know how to construct an argument
(not you, them)

I think I have a stalker.

How cute.

[Noob Weapons]

This is funny. Watch this guys!

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

...
. As such he doesn't care about anyone else on the playing field. That's a sociopathic view of the world. Getting angry at someone for treading on you like you're dirt, not so much sociopathic.

...

Put that together with ...

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

Ah, I figured it was something like that. That could be the only reason you ignore everyone else.

You have a sociopathic view of things.

...

It's a little thing called "Enforced Internet Autisum" it goes hand in hand with "The greater internet fuckwad theory"

And finally, the punchline:

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

the only thing that matters is the C-bills and XP you're making Per Hour! This is the only way to gain ground and the only way to really get anywhere.

...

KDR means nothing and there's no negative impacts to dying. then they just cut into my overall enjoyment of the game because all that's left is to rank up these mechs.


You realise, even on a loss, if you play quick, and die quick, you can make fast c-bills right?

I don't care that you don't care, and here's where the problem crops up.


...

As I said, the way I see it, given the game as it sits, right this very minute. The only point is to make money. Why?

1)there is no penalty for dying
2)there's no focused goal, no fighting for planets, no fighting over contracts, nothing of the sort [not till CW]
3)there is no end game, all we have to focus on is either the win/loss [which at this point doesn't matter] or C-bills and XP [which allows you to rank up your mechs]

So, for any who didn't catch it, this guy calls people sociopaths for not caring about other people's end goals, while he vocally advocates dieing quickly in a match, which many people would call suiciding, meaning he does not care at all about other people's desire to win.

Then he is very open to whining about that player who decides to make smart decisions, not suicide, and tries to win the match because he isn't making fake money fast enough on his game.

If making money is your only purpose in the game, why are you even playing? If you do not want to win, and only care about grinding c-bills for hours, your time is better spent by taking a second job (or first or third, I'm not going to pretend to know what your life consists of).

The way you are playing the game is JUST LIKE having a job. You ignore having fun by trying to win, the thrill of surviving against impossible odds, and you simply want to run in, shoot three times, die, and have everyone else do the same thing so you can make fake money that doesn't mean anything because you plan on doing the same thing with the next mech you unlock, and the next and the next.

If you are going to play the game, isn't it more fun to play to win the match instead? Otherwise, you are just trapping yourself into an infinite loop of 'playing for the next mech', worrying about buying the next thing you can blindly play and die in.

[Yokaiko]

When I posted this I never thought this thread would be so amusing.

A nice single malt whiskey and couple cigars, and this is keeping me up way past my bedtime.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Zylo, on 13 April 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Different playstyles are fine but there are going to be problems when some players with the "only C-bill gains matter" playstyle end up in the same game as those who play to win and consider survival part of their ideal win conditions.

I happen to fit into this group that plays to win but also does everything possible to survive the fight (maybe because I suspect repair/rearm might make a return) and we both know that playstyle really wasn't compatible with most of the casual ELP members when I was a member.

Neither playstyle is wrong but they often aren't compatible.

It is wrong when a player tries to force their playstyle on others such as a player interested in fast matches revealing the position of their remaining light who was trying to win by sneaking around the longest path to cap the enemy base for the win.

this isn't even about you and ELP.

And even further, I've gotten to the point I play, maybe 8 hours a week, you remember when I was in the chatrooms playing every day for HOURS!

There's no end game, there's no point to the overarching meta, there's no reason for me to care beyond C-bills and XP, there's nothing to care about in the game other than getting a massive amount of mechs, and leveling them up [for me.]

I understand the desire to win the game, 100%, I understand the desire to not die in a match, and to do the absolute best you can. But for me, it's VERY, VERY hard to care when there's no focus to the game, there's no progression other than buying mechs and gaining xp

Noob Weapons, on 13 April 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

This is funny. Watch this guys!



Put that together with ...


And finally, the punchline:




So, for any who didn't catch it, this guy calls people sociopaths for not caring about other people's end goals, while he vocally advocates dieing quickly in a match, which many people would call suiciding, meaning he does not care at all about other people's desire to win.

Then he is very open to whining about that player who decides to make smart decisions, not suicide, and tries to win the match because he isn't making fake money fast enough on his game.

If making money is your only purpose in the game, why are you even playing? If you do not want to win, and only care about grinding c-bills for hours, your time is better spent by taking a second job (or first or third, I'm not going to pretend to know what your life consists of).

The way you are playing the game is JUST LIKE having a job. You ignore having fun by trying to win, the thrill of surviving against impossible odds, and you simply want to run in, shoot three times, die, and have everyone else do the same thing so you can make fake money that doesn't mean anything because you plan on doing the same thing with the next mech you unlock, and the next and the next.

If you are going to play the game, isn't it more fun to play to win the match instead? Otherwise, you are just trapping yourself into an infinite loop of 'playing for the next mech', worrying about buying the next thing you can blindly play and die in.

Oh yes because it's easy to point out one thing said that doesn't fall into line with everything else I said.

The split happens because It's hard for me to have a reason to care about then absolute win, when there's another end game for me "the money", he's beyond that and the end game for him is "The win" Frankly if I was in his position, I'd just have walked away by now, waited for new content, then came back.

Despite my possibility of being wrong on OP's motivations, my points in regards to the psychology still stand, Though yes, perhaps I should not have stated things the way I did earlier.

Regardless, I'm glad I've provided you with amusement.

Edited by Jade Kitsune, 13 April 2013 - 02:44 PM.

[Zylo]

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

this isn't even about you and ELP.

And even further, I've gotten to the point I play, maybe 8 hours a week, you remember when I was in the chatrooms playing every day for HOURS!

There's no end game, there's no point to the overarching meta, there's no reason for me to care beyond C-bills and XP, there's nothing to care about in the game other than getting a massive amount of mechs, and leveling them up [for me.]

I understand the desire to win the game, 100%, I understand the desire to not die in a match, and to do the absolute best you can. But for me, it's VERY, VERY hard to care when there's no focus to the game, there's no progression other than buying mechs and gaining xp

So pretty much what I get out of this is that you only care about others not holding up your C-bill and XP grind for mechs.

That's not a problem as long as you're not the guy giving away the position of the remaining light on your team who is actually trying to win by cap. That light pilot may not get **** for rewards if he dies due to rewards being performance based rather than role based and may actually be trying to gain XP for pilot skill upgrades or GXP for module unlocks.

[Noob Weapons]

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

this isn't even about you and ELP.

And even further, I've gotten to the point I play, maybe 8 hours a week, you remember when I was in the chatrooms playing every day for HOURS!

There's no end game, there's no point to the overarching meta, there's no reason for me to care beyond C-bills and XP, there's nothing to care about in the game other than getting a massive amount of mechs, and leveling them up [for me.]

I understand the desire to win the game, 100%, I understand the desire to not die in a match, and to do the absolute best you can. But for me, it's VERY, VERY hard to care when there's no focus to the game, there's no progression other than buying mechs and gaining xp



Oh yes because it's easy to point out one thing said that doesn't fall into line with everything else I said.

The split happens because It's hard for me to have a reason to care about then absolute win, when there's another end game for me "the money"

Despite my possibility of being wrong on OP's motivations, my points in regards to the psychology still stand, Though yes, perhaps I should not have stated things the way I did earlier.

Regardless, I'm glad I've provided you with amusement.

The rest of your posts were just reflective on what you had already said. There was no part that said you actually care about the desire to win, but rather that you decided to pretend this is a job to grind c-bills all day.

If you prefer, I will edit my post and include your entire posts within them and simply highlight the important parts?

But really, each post was about a couple of points.

A. I don't care about your desire to keep either you K/D or your W/L high.
B. "(You don't) care about anyone else on the playing field. That's a sociopathic view of the world."
C. The only endgame to Mechwarrior Online (in your opinion) is to grind c-bills and xp, and that is all we should care about
D. Something I thought was funny about "Internet Autism" and Greater fukwad theory.


But for a serious question, why does one even play if they only care about the fake money? I've never understood this, and it boils down to the people who play farmville for days on end. I enjoy games that provide an intriguing storyline. I also enjoy games that give me a sense of competition that raises my adrenaline in an attempt to survive and win. But I don't understand how someone can enjoy dieing quickly in a match, not caring to win, grinding fake money, and then doing the same with everything they buy with it.

At that point, I think I would get more fulfillment from spending that time at work, because then my grind gives me real money that I can use to get a better house, or stop eating tv dinners and food from the dollar menu (holy crap I cannot wait to be done with college).

Edited by Noob Weapons, 13 April 2013 - 02:56 PM.

[Stone Profit]

Jade Kitsune, on 13 April 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

this isn't even about you and ELP.

And even further, I've gotten to the point I play, maybe 8 hours a week, you remember when I was in the chatrooms playing every day for HOURS!

There's no end game, there's no point to the overarching meta, there's no reason for me to care beyond C-bills and XP, there's nothing to care about in the game other than getting a massive amount of mechs, and leveling them up [for me.]

I understand the desire to win the game, 100%, I understand the desire to not die in a match, and to do the absolute best you can. But for me, it's VERY, VERY hard to care when there's no focus to the game, there's no progression other than buying mechs and gaining xp



Oh yes because it's easy to point out one thing said that doesn't fall into line with everything else I said.

The split happens because It's hard for me to have a reason to care about then absolute win, when there's another end game for me "the money", he's beyond that and the end game for him is "The win" Frankly if I was in his position, I'd just have walked away by now, waited for new content, then came back.

Despite my possibility of being wrong on OP's motivations, my points in regards to the psychology still stand, Though yes, perhaps I should not have stated things the way I did earlier.

Regardless, I'm glad I've provided you with amusement.

Youre points in psychology still stand as wrong. And having your "argument" not be cohesive is in fact an excellent point. Youre continuing to defend your "argument" even though you contradict yourself and have been repeatedly proven yourself wrong and hypocritical. And you feel him not caring about how others want to play the game is wrong, while others not caring about how he wants to play the game, IS hypocritical.
You need to take a psych class beyond 101 before you start trying to use psych to make points, bro.
I think its you who needs to leave until theres more content, as you feel the grind is the only thing, where as others actually enjoy the gameplay. Why are you even here? Is it some sort of need for self punishment? Or just a need to collect as many units of worthless virtual currency as you can as fast as you can and screw anyone who interferes with that goal by enjoying the gameplay?

Edited by Stone Profit, 13 April 2013 - 02:51 PM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Syllogy, on 13 April 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Answer: Any soldier in the world who refuses to follow lawful orders in a combat zone may be charged with treason and summarily executed on the spot.

By abandoning your post and failing to execute the duties of your station constitutes failure to follow a lawful order, punishable by death.

But you are not lawfully placed above anyone in this game, so your orders are meaningless. If you want to talk RP, then in the BT universe, it is actually common practice to withdraw from any engagement that is reasonably judged as lost, to preserve the very expensive ride.

RG Notch, on 13 April 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Because you don't really die nor is there any repair or re arm costs, thus there is nothing reason not to go out fighting than to preserve a pointless soon to be wiped stat.

Wrong, I can gain the power of your whiny little tears.

Roadbeer, on 13 April 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

And if you don't want to wrap up a loosing match so your TEAM can get on to the next fight, then you're a lone wolf player, go to a single player game.

Join a team and play 8-mans if you don't like playing with Lone Wolves. I'm usually the first one into the fight and in the thick of it for the duration, due to my (sometimes unfortunate) overly aggressive nature in games. If I'm the last one standing, and not beat to hell, it's either because I was doing my job capping (if in a scout) or because my "team" completely failed and got obliterated so fast I didn't even have time to get into it. In neither case do I owe them a death.

Nonsense, on 13 April 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Too bad lots of people still do it when they're down 6-1 and the enemy team controls all the points and are up 500-300 in points...

Those are the times when I get annoyed and say something in chat. It's often mathematically impossible to win given how long caps take and how fast your mech is...not to mention if the enemy has mechs left to cover points. Some people are INCREDIBLY bad at recognizing this type of situation.

I'm not certain, but I think the losers still get resource C-bills, don't they? I admit I've never specifically checked, since I gain enough I don't really pay attention. In that case, continuing to cap would give the entire team more Cb. Your ability to jump into the next game and increase farming speed is not my responsibility.



The fact is no one is forced to wait. Even players without more owned mechs could still drop out and go play a trial mech while waiting. If you want to be torked at someone who literally did nothing the entire match and is hiding, go for it. Report him if it will make you feel better.

If you just don't like to wait after you're dead, and just can't bring yourself to launch in a different mech, then quit effing dying so fast all the time, or at least take more of them with you. I do not owe you a suicide to ease your ADD. My "team" that didn't do their own job is free to [QUIT MATCH] at any time and move on with their lives. "QQ, he just wants to pad his stats, and he's greifing everyone who just wants their mechs unlockked, those poor deprived souls." Guess what, even if that's the case, you don't need your mech unlocked. You don't even need your mech unlocked to continue playing. You just want it. And you wants do not trump my wants, or vice versa. However, in this case, I'm in the driver's seat, and if you don't like it you should have played better.

If I'm on the OPFOR and you don't want to wait for the win, I certainly don't owe you a suicide. You're free to [QUIT MATCH] then, too. I really don't mind if you want to concede. Or you can go cap. If you have me seriously outnumbered it doesn't take long, and if you don't, I'll probably be coming for you when I feel the time is right, or capping you.

Am I stat-padding by denying the enemy a kill? Nope. My stats would be a lot higher if I was a low-life stat-padder. Rather, I'm refusing to pad someone else's stats. Don't like it, [QUIT MATCH]. It really is as simple as that.

The only time I tell anyone to just die is when the enemy actually has them in their sights/range and is as fast/faster. If you're being shot, and you can't get away, either turn and shoot back or just stop and die. Those extra couple seconds for the same outcome mean nothing unless there's a chance you'll sneak the resource win.

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 13 April 2013 - 02:57 PM.