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[Mercworks]

When I first started playing (when Open Beta started), they had quite a few of the really cool mechs of Battletech. The Atlas, Jenner, Hunchie were always classics. I was always a big fan of the Catapult, even back during TT play. Now it seems like they're going out of their way to pick the least regarded, or most redundant, choices.
For example, the Trebuchet is a good mech, standing on its own, but is yet a third addition in the 50 ton category. This has left the 55 ton sweet spot for mechs completely open yet again. I understand the whole legal issue with "Unseen" mechs, but there are still a number of chassis which are owned by Catalyst that could be used as a frame to fill that slot. We desperately need a 55 ton jump capable mech to be that balance point between scout and fighter.
I would also question why we need a Cataphract when we don't have an entry in the 75 ton slot. That's the perfect tipping point between Fast Heavy and Assault, and yet it's not covered.
The same is true with the over-tweeking of the Cicada. I actually have used that mech a few times in TT play, and have the ECM version in MWO, but the Phoenix Hawk (or whatever 45 tonner they use to substitute) is a much better mech, and a lot more fun to play.
Now with the Jagermech coming up, it just seems like there another useless class to add on, and so many optimal spot still open to put really interesting (and sellable - HINT) mechs.

[Joe Mallad]

We do have a 75 ton mech coming. The Orion.


Also... The locust, griffin, shadow hawk, thunderbolt, wolverine and Battlemaster have all now been moved from the unseen list to reseen. These mech may now be legal to use again. At least in their updated reseen looks.

Edited by Yoseful Mallad, 06 March 2013 - 08:50 AM.

[Solomon Ward]

Mercworks, on 06 March 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

I would also question why we need a Cataphract when we don't have an entry in the 75 ton slot. That's the perfect tipping point between Fast Heavy and Assault, and yet it's not covered.

Dare to question my Cataphracts.I love them.
The chassis is always one of the top spots of every "favourite-mech" - poll.
Orion is coming to fill the 75 tons.

Mercworks, on 06 March 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

Now with the Jagermech coming up, it just seems like there another useless class to add on, and so many optimal spot still open to put really interesting (and sellable - HINT) mechs.

I look forward to Dual AC/20 + XL Engine.
Could live without it tho - Highlander is THE mech i am waiting for - especially HGN-733C

[Lykaon]

I do agree that currently the 50 ton weight class is over represented.You however lost me with the Cicada "over tweeking" or why a 70 ton Cataphract (the only 70 ton mech we have) has anything to do with a lack of a 75 ton mech.Unless you mean that 75 tons should have ben a priority included before a 70 ton chassis.

Our current mech chassis include.

No 20 ton mechs (Flea has been announced)
25 ton Commando w/hero mech version
30 ton spider
35 ton Jenner
35 ton Raven

40 ton Cicada w/hero mech version
No 45 ton mechs (Blackjack has been announced)
50 ton Hunchback
50 ton Centurion (with hero mech version)
50 ton Trebuchet
No 55 ton mech chassis announced at this time.

60 ton Dragon with two hero mech chassis
65 ton Catapult
65 ton Jaeger mech comming later this month
70 ton Cataphract
No 75 ton (Orion announced)

80 ton Awesome with hero mech version
85 ton Stalker
No 90 ton (Highlander announced)
No 95 ton mech announced
100 ton Atlas


So with the currently announced line up we are still lacking in 55 ton chassis and 95 ton chassis.That leaves very few in period choices to fill those gaps so my predictions for those weight classes are.

55 tons Dervish: only problem I see is that within the timeline there are only two Varients I am aware of.That will require at least a third varient to be created to fill the needed 3.

95 ton Banshee: Only 95 ton mech I am aware of that has suffecent varients in production in the 3050 time line.

Edited by Lykaon, 06 March 2013 - 09:04 AM.

[Kdogg788]

Yoseful Mallad, on 06 March 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

We do have a 75 ton mech coming. The Orion.


Also... The locust, griffin, shadow hawk, thunderbolt, wolverine and Battlemaster have all now been moved from the unseen list to reseen. These mech may now be legal to use again. At least in their updated reseen looks.

Please tell me where I can find a link for this information as I want the Locust badly!

-k

[Wingbreaker]

Since we're never going to see a Marauder, I'm quite happy to have the Cataphract around.

[Mercules]

What 55 jump capable mech are you going to add from this timeline that isn't anywhere NEAR unseen(the Reseen are still off limits). The Dervish is about the only one I can think of and I think for the time frame we had 1 crappy variant and 2 okay variants that are more or less similar to the Trebuchet who had more robust variants. I think the main difference in Variants was upgrading from SRM 2s to Streaks and upgrading the Lasers to Pulse Lasers which means no real hardpoint changes in MWO.

[Void2258]

The phoenix hawk is unseen, so they are legally unable to use it (it's based on the wasp, which is a VF-1 from Macross, and thus the rights are owned by the original creators).

[Adridos]

All there is to 55 tonners is Shadow Hawk, Griffin and even worse junk.

Shadow Hawk and Griffin are so, so mechs that can be saved by tweaking a few things, but the rest is complete and utter garbage.

Seriously, unless tehy add unseens, I think we won't loose anything if the first 55 tonner is something from later on.

[Andross Deverow]

Id take a Warhammer before anything. Other than the Atlas and possibly the Battlemaster the Warhammer is probably one of the most iconic Battlemechs in the games history. Too bad the Warhammer is unseen

In regards to the OP's concerns, I feel the selection is ok and theya re working on it as they can with the available chassis. Correct me if I am wrong isnt the Jagermech taking the place of the unseen Rifleman?

Regards

Edited by Andross Deverow, 06 March 2013 - 09:21 AM.

[PropagandaWar]

if you gave us med pilots a 55 ton mech we would take over the entire IS. Do you really, really want to see this happen. Thought not. Keep us contained for your own safety.

[Royalewithcheese]

If the Jagermech has good engine/handling, it will be an amazing ballistics platform. 3xUAC5, 2xAC20, or 2xGauss with an XL engine, better gun placement than the Cataphract, and (unlike the K2) the ability to fire the big guns uphill and downhill.

But the Highlander is gonna be feared. If you thought the 3D was a good poptart...

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

the jagermech is a ballistic mech. A way for the devs to go "you think Gausskitties are bad, wait for this"

as for unseens can PGI use reseen designs since theyre hooked up with catalyst?

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 06 March 2013 - 09:38 AM.

[8RoundsRapid]

@OP: Yes, the mech choices have been crappy. However, I believe this to be a product of the chosen era. IS mechs at this point in the timeline are still pretty lame, even w/ upgrades. Combine that with the fact that there are no Unseen, which happen to be some of the best mechs in BT at every era, and you end up w/ a bunch of 'crappy' mechs.

Yoseful Mallad, on 06 March 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

We do have a 75 ton mech coming. The Orion.


Also... The locust, griffin, shadow hawk, thunderbolt, wolverine and Battlemaster have all now been moved from the unseen list to reseen. These mech may now be legal to use again. At least in their updated reseen looks.

No disrespect intended, Yoseful, but I think this is wishful thinking. I would love to be wrong, however. I just don't think we'll be seeing any of the Unseen.

[stjobe]

The only 55-ton 'mechs available to MWO are the Dervish and the Kintaro, all others are either Unseen or post-3050.
The Dervish has only two variants that could be used in 3050 (the 6md and 7D), which leaves us with the not-very-attractive Kintaro.

[Apnu]

Mercworks, on 06 March 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

I would also question why we need a Cataphract when we don't have an entry in the 75 ton slot. That's the perfect tipping point between Fast Heavy and Assault, and yet it's not covered.

The Cataphract exists for one reason only. The Maruader is unseen. That mech was made in BT to fill that void. And here in MWO the 'phract also fills that void.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

arent most of the "unseens" "reseen" because of project pheonix or is that book not part of battletech? Everyone seems to pretend it doesnt exist

[General Taskeen]

Royalewithcheese, on 06 March 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

But the Highlander is gonna be feared. If you thought the 3D was a good poptart...

I doubt this. With 3 total jump jets it'll probably barely lift off the ground. Jump jets still are kind of slow for the take off and the max height distance usually can barely lift up onto a building. It would be the same problem with the UrbanMech which mounts just 2.

Edited by General Taskeen, 06 March 2013 - 09:43 AM.

[MasterGoa]

Hahaha, I love how 75 tons is a sweet spot, etc.
And 55 tons is a miracle on two metal legs...

[Kdogg788]

Do we really need to fill up every single gap on the tonnage tree? When all the mechs are out we will be missing only 2 tiers (55 and 95) and who's to say there won't be others announced to fill these slots. Seems like we have plenty of variety in both role and weight among the mechs announced thusfar. It would be nice to have an uber selection of mechs for the game, but I'd rather have CW first to be honest.

-k