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[Livewyr]

Copy Past from Paul in ECM Thread:

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What is the official stance on the Guardian ECM?

Guardian ECM, like all features in the game, is very close to where we want it to be.

ECM brought a whole new level of strategy and skill to the battlefield and is something that we've been striving to achieve instead of flat plane, long range combat.
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I think my MFC and DFG are the perfect counters to this new flat plane long range combat problem.

Magnetic Field Calibrator: MFC

-1.5ton 2 Crit space equipment that reduces the speed of any projectile (fired from outside 270 meters) so much that it does little or no damage. The MFC could be disabled for 4 seconds by hitting the mech with a PPC to overload the calibrator, or training an Energy Drain beam on the mech. (Same style as TAG) Two MFCs within 180 meters of each other would overload each others' systems and cancel out the field.

Available on the Jenner D, Spider V, Catapult A1, and Atlas D.

Dense Fog Generator: DFG

-1.5ton 2 Crit Space equipment that envelopes the mech in Fog so that lasers have to be on target for .5 seconds in order to burn through it an do damage (with the remainder of the beam.) PPC charges would disperse in the fog in the form of lightning that would do 3-5 damage to the mech. This fog could be dissipated by a mech using Jump jets near it, using flamers on it, or by hitting it with missiles to disperse the cloud.

Available on the Hunchback 4G, Dragon 1N, Awesome 8Q, and Stalker 5M.
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Hardcounter to PPCs and Gauss.. your problem is solved!

[Badconduct]

Mechwarrior has always been that way...They would have to change the mechanics of the PPC to Mechwarrior 2 style.

[Noobzorz]

Davers, on 16 April 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Almost makes you miss the LRM days, doesn't it?

Why don't you just swap out your mechs load out and join them until there is some more balancing done?

I can honestly say, no, no it really does not. I wonder how many people started playing the game around then and just said "no. This game is not good." If you joined during the LRMpocalypse in particular, it would be very hard to fault you for thinking that Battletech was a huge piece of crap, and that PGI had no idea what they were doing.

[Zanathan]

This game is nothing but an SRM fest

OMG why don't you just rename it to LRMWarrior Online

I see nothing but AC builds

Whats up with all the laserboats (swayback anyone?)

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See what I did here?

[Psikez]

I love patch day, theres so many new and interesting threads to read.

[Davers]

Noobzorz, on 16 April 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

I can honestly say, no, no it really does not. I wonder how many people started playing the game around then and just said "no. This game is not good." If you joined during the LRMpocalypse in particular, it would be very hard to fault you for thinking that Battletech was a huge piece of crap, and that PGI had no idea what they were doing.

That was also back when there wasn't a lot of sniper mechs. It would have been a bit different if EVERYONE could kill each other in 3 alphas.

[Laserkid]

OK, now that state rewind is in PGI will be waiting a month or so as data comes in. They will realize that the "poptart" moved to PUGS, LRMs are not used and that the game has heavily shifted to high alpha direct fire, medium to long range engagements. What will happen, SRMs go to 2 points per missile, LRMS back to 1. Modules like target decay may be improved, so that poptarts get locked onto...fired at...and missiles chase them down.

And whats stops LRM fest happening again, ECM mechs, and what stops ECM mech...High Alpha direct fire....and what stops high alpha direct fire....LRMs....

They will balance things, they have to.

[RiceyFighter]

Noobzorz, on 16 April 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

I can honestly say, no, no it really does not. I wonder how many people started playing the game around then and just said "no. This game is not good." If you joined during the LRMpocalypse in particular, it would be very hard to fault you for thinking that Battletech was a huge piece of crap, and that PGI had no idea what they were doing.

I been playing ever since closed beta (Hense the founders). I have been though STREAK CAT OP, SRM A1 BOAT OP, ECM OP, First Generation Artemis LRM OP , LRMpocalypse, and now PPC and Gauss OP.

Seriously PGI I can't take it anymore. Each patch they always do big changes and it ruins the balance non stop. I can't remember the last time the game was REMOTELY balanced.

[JediPanther]

I had a match and did ok damage with two lrm15s. Pretty sad when the c1 I use has only three tons of ammo for dhs so I can fire my lazers with do more damage than both lrms togeather. Now I roll the ac20 k2 and fight back.

[El Bandito]

RiceyFighter, on 16 April 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

The entire game has become nothing but highlanders playing with gauss and PPCs. Stalkers boating PPCs, and Cataphracts with gauss and PPCs.For brawler pilots it been absolute hell for us. Can't even get to fight without being blown up left and right trying to move into position and into cover. Can't have fun fighting up close when getting there means certain death : / Seriously at a huge slump, I hate playing gauss and PPCs because my accuracy sucks, and I do best up close and personal. /rant I am going on a break from this game. PS: The bugs in this game is not helping much. I accidentally killed 3 friendlies because of HUD issues. Crash in game every 4 matches. Thanks for reading me ranting and I hope all of you enjoy playing MechWarrior Online. In till then o7

I piloted Streakcat for the last 5 days and I have 2:1 KDR. Sniping meta aint got nothing on me.

[Tie Ma]

Davers, on 16 April 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

That was also back when there wasn't a lot of sniper mechs. It would have been a bit different if EVERYONE could kill each other in 3 alphas.

balance changes constatnly. a large part of it is due to trends.

[Zylo]

RiceyFighter, on 16 April 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

The entire game has become nothing but highlanders playing with gauss and PPCs. Stalkers boating PPCs, and Cataphracts with gauss and PPCs.For brawler pilots it been absolute hell for us. Can't even get to fight without being blown up left and right trying to move into position and into cover.

Can't have fun fighting up close when getting there means certain death : /

Seriously at a huge slump, I hate playing gauss and PPCs because my accuracy sucks, and I do best up close and personal.

/rant

I am going on a break from this game.

PS: The bugs in this game is not helping much. I accidentally killed 3 friendlies because of HUD issues. Crash in game every 4 matches.

Thanks for reading me ranting and I hope all of you enjoy playing MechWarrior Online. In till then o7

Solution: Wait for weight class matching to come back which should happen later this week. Drop with a group of 4 that does not include *ANY* assaults or heavies. The game will probably be more fun for you as no more than half the enemy team can be the Stalkers and Cataphracts mentioned in your post.

[Livewyr]

Laserkid, on 16 April 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

They will balance things, they have to.

One would think.

"Guardian ECM, like all features in the game, is very close to where we want it to be."

Great and terrible power this "Copy and Paste" thing is.. and it's not even taken out of context.

[Noobzorz]

Tie Ma, on 16 April 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

balance changes constatnly. a large part of it is due to trends.

There is a strong element of metagame, definitely, and that's probably why PGI is so cautious. But while it's good that they aren't jumping the gun, the flipside of this is that they drag their feet on every little decision and don't wholesale abandon dumb choices like they aught to.

The trifecta of **** weapons should have received some major attention after it became clear that the crit seeking was garbage.

[DegeneratePervert]

They'll fix LRMs and SRMs, and suddenly a lot of snipers will leave. Close quarters fighting in this game is a waste of time, since nobody has a great "right hook" (see: 2-3x SRM6) that'll cripple the tunnel-visioned foe. For now, your best bet it so hop in a pop-tart yourself, and join in the whack-a-mole.

EDIT: I would like to add that I had a lot of fun brawling in my CTF-1x recently, but it moves at 80 KPH or so and is pretty efficient. Brawling is still possible with some speed and coordination from a friend.

Edited by DegeneratePervert, 16 April 2013 - 09:06 PM.

[Bagheera]

RiceyFighter, on 16 April 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

I been playing ever since closed beta (Hense the founders). I have been though STREAK CAT OP, SRM A1 BOAT OP, ECM OP, First Generation Artemis LRM OP , LRMpocalypse, and now PPC and Gauss OP.

Lasher < Jackhammer < MCG

Jackhammer < MCG < Lasher

MCG < Lasher < Jackhammer

*rinse* *repeat*

This territory has been trodden in the past.

It's partially up to us to stop over-reacting to everything and stop demanding that our personal favorite thing be the best (not everyone does this, but enough), and it's partially up to PGI to step back a moment and figure out a way to break the cycle.

Just saying.

[Noobzorz]

Livewyr, on 16 April 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

One would think.

"Guardian ECM, like all features in the game, is very close to where we want it to be."

Great and terrible power this "Copy and Paste" thing is.. and it's not even taken out of context.

Don't worry. There is no way that a group of dudes with this level of sophistication are stupid enough to believe that underlined bit. It's just a put on so people don't rage. Not a very effective one, of course, but still.

Bagheera, on 16 April 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

Lasher < Jackhammer < MCG

Jackhammer < MCG < Lasher

MCG < Lasher < Jackhammer

*rinse* *repeat*

This territory has been trodden in the past.

It's partially up to us to stop over-reacting to everything and stop demanding that our personal favorite thing be the best (not everyone does this, but enough), and it's partially up to PGI to step back a moment and figure out a way to break the cycle.

Just saying.

PGI hasn't found that sweet spot between letting the meta run its course and deciding that something is not transient behavior and must be corrected. I think they're a ways off still, unfortunately.

Edited by Noobzorz, 16 April 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[TOGSolid]

Deathlike, on 16 April 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

I saw a splatcat of lore a number of matches ago...

I'm driving one right now!

Zylo, on 16 April 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Solution: Wait for weight class matching to come back which should happen later this week. Drop with a group of 4 that does not include *ANY* assaults or heavies. The game will probably be more fun for you as no more than half the enemy team can be the Stalkers and Cataphracts mentioned in your post.

Ding ding ding.

PPCs and Gauss are perfectly fine, it's just that this game's meta is absolute garbage right now thanks to the wacked out teams, no tonnage limits, broken to **** LRMs, ECM being horribly OP, flamers not working, MGs sucking, the lack of penalties for running really hot, etc. etc.

[Silentium]

This evening has been a lesson in humility.

I brought out a spotter/scout only to learn that nobody uses lrms anymore. so I went back to the striker, which was better, but still brutal. The combination of BSR, and more numerous high caliber players has been quite.....bracing.

[Laserkid]

Silentium, on 16 April 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

This evening has been a lesson in humility.
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Don't give up hope, Take a BAP, Advanced Sensors, Advanced target Decay, and ERPPC, JJs, TAG. Get great at the difference between ADV Sensor range and Advanced sensor range + BAP range. Flank...your objective is not to out line yourself on a hill...but keep cover and pop out to where you thing they will be. If they are not... move up cautiously