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[Livewyr]

MustrumRidcully, on 17 April 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

Probably because you still care.

That is debatable.. I'm really still here for two reasons.

I spent a lot more money on this game than I should have before they jumped off into the deep end with ECM... so now I'll take the value I paid for, from the forums.

2: Even though they more than likely ignore me by this point (they've already removed me from friends list) I can still drive the point of imbalance and hypocrisy into the forums until people actually figure out that their play-style is not the only one that matters..maybe even before the Jumpsnipers are the only ones left.. like MW4.

GODzillaGSPB, on 17 April 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

Indeed it was. And LRMs were widely used. I wonder how people forget that so quickly. They were used, they worked, they killed. Staying in cover also worked. I think they were perfect up until that bug...

They were used like a lottery. (Awesome-tastic damage.. or complete waste of tonnage.)

That was a really big problem because your game was (95%) determined before it began- map; moar lurms, moar ECM = winner.)

I wonder how many forgot so quickly.

[Multitallented]

ya, the game has really taken a nose dive. Games are super long since no one wants to move anywhere.

[Finn McShae]

Hm, guess its either my timezone (Alaskan) or that my "ELO is in the toilet" but I really didn't see many other Highlanders last night, and very little jump sniping. Just that poor -3D that jumped right into my HGN, an Atlas and to cats... poor bastid almost didn't make it to the ground.

Either way, I had a ton of fun last night and am very happy the kalideoscope bugs seems to be gone from my system.

[PropagandaWar]

AceTimberwolf, on 17 April 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Yea MadP with weight Discrim it'll balance out. All of us up on the ELO scale will face the 8 Highlanders....

Glad I suck. Oh crap I play against you. Damnit! #@$@#%@er Poop and all!

[GODzillaGSPB]

Livewyr, on 17 April 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

I wonder how many forgot so quickly.

In my experience, ECM is still as prominent as it was when LRMs were better. And in my experience LRM-users didn't have that much of a problem with ECM, they just shot the non-ECM mechs. Yes of course, that only adds to your argument and I agree.

The point was that LRMs were good enough to be used as support weapon. So when unable to shoot your LRM, one used the lasers or ballistics. Hard time for the Catapult A1, definitely, but I saw some mixed builds that were running great, yet were probably a bit too complicated for the splatcat crowd.

LRMs were good BUT, and that's also important, not too good. Because any better and people would've just stuffed the Stalker with LRMs. They did, you say? They did indeed. LRM-90-Stalker, I knew them. And they were strong. But not overpowered. And that's the point.

Good enough to be used in a mix of weapons, not too good to make LRM-90-Stalker the go-to-mech. Perfect. Imho.

But yeah, opinions, they are different I know. ^^

Multitallented, on 17 April 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

ya, the game has really taken a nose dive. Games are super long since no one wants to move anywhere.

Exactly what happened yesterday after the patch. I'm nearing my 1000th game and I have never ever seen so little movement and so much crowding. I almost couldn't believe what was going on. For a moment I thought they'd opened a buffet behind me and people where sitting their enjoying their free food or something like that...

Quite litereally, builds like the all-laser-Stalker or all-PPC-builds are ruining the game, even for themselves. I can't imagine it to be fun sitting on the other side of the hill and waiting for the enemy that never appears.

This is simply ruined. I hope not for good.

Edited by GODzillaGSPB, 17 April 2013 - 08:39 AM.

[Livewyr]

GODzillaGSPB, on 17 April 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

In my experience, ECM is still as prominent as it was when LRMs were better. And in my experience LRM-users didn't have that much of a problem with ECM, they just shot the non-ECM mechs. Yes of course, that only adds to your argument and I agree.

The point was that LRMs were good enough to be used as support weapon. So when unable to shoot your LRM, one used the lasers or ballistics. Hard time for the Catapult A1, definitely, but I saw some mixed builds that were running great, yet were probably a bit too complicated for the splatcat crowd.

LRMs were good BUT, and that's also important, not too good. Because any better and people would've just stuffed the Stalker with LRMs. They did, you say? They did indeed. LRM-90-Stalker, I knew them. And they were strong. But not overpowered. And that's the point.

Good enough to be used in a mix of weapons, not too good to make LRM-90-Stalker the go-to-mech. Perfect. Imho.

But yeah, opinions, they are different I know. ^^

The thing is, they were (and are) horrible to do balanced loads with.. they take forever to get to the target. So they take up way too much attention to be worth their tonnage when matched with something that is fire and forget. (That's why boats are so popular...if you go missiles, you pretty much have to go all the way, or you're half effective in missiles, or half effective in directfire, no blend.)

So when it came to missiles versus ECM.. it was a drastic gamble.

If there was no ECM.. your boated LRMs could own relentlessly.
or
If there was even one ECM (light/fast med) who focused on you- you might as well have never hit launch.

Skill had nothing to do with it.. only mechlab loadouts.

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While one could make a case for balanced load-out.. that case is super weak compared to doing something dire-fire boating, or missile-boating.

[Warlune]

My idea on how to fix jump sniping here:
http://mwomercs.com/...g-for-everyone/

[EvilCow]

AceTimberwolf, on 17 April 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

And someone said it in another Thread. Welcome to MechWarrior 4

No, not yet, the final nail is still missing: 3PV.

[Divine Madcat]

For what its worth,the 733c that I have been saving up for is a fun brawler :
AC20
3x SRM6
2x ML
What can I say.. I love getting in close and putting some hurt out..

[General Taskeen]

The game balance fell apart with ECM in December, from there nothing else has been addressed at all or minimally, especially to help bring more weapon variety. MW:LL, the game that won't even be developed anymore, laughs at MWO's balance concerns.

List of "Things" that need redevelopment, fixes, and/or balance changes

ECM, NARC, SSRM, Jump Jets, Ultra, MG's, Flamers, LB-X, SRM, LRM, Pulse Lasers

Edited by General Taskeen, 17 April 2013 - 09:24 AM.

[Wrenchfarm]

Sad state of affairs. The game really isn't much fun right now.

With CW not coming out till September (if we're lucky) and Clans apparently 6 months after that, I don't think I have the patience to stick it out.

I like this game. I like what it could be but I don't think PGI can get there. They seem dead set on making every wrong call they can.

[BlackWidow]

MadPanda, on 17 April 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

. This gameplay has ruined highlander for me, and with it the whole game.

The rest of the player base has heard you and accepts your resignation. Have fun with Hawken.

[KingCobra]

Wrenchfarm, on 17 April 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Sad state of affairs. The game really isn't much fun right now.

With CW not coming out till September (if we're lucky) and Clans apparently 6 months after that, I don't think I have the patience to stick it out.

I like this game. I like what it could be but I don't think PGI can get there. They seem dead set on making every wrong call they can.

This is where past MechWarrior games were fun exciting and complex the main reason was the MSN gamming zone and leagues Sure they were not perfect and neither was MW3 or MW4 but you had choices. Leagues offered brawling-planetary-sniping-missiles-stock play there were so many ways you could have fun on your drops. Plus you could save your configuration in mechlab go back make more change this and that to drop with it was always one big experiment what would work for how long.Y ou could also pick maps train-recruit and play with your friends 1v1 or 12v12.Im very against the WOT-COD MM setup they have it limits players to hours of grinding for what? YAY cb-xp-gxp. I would rather set in a huge lobby launcher chatting away and be able to play the way I want to play not what a company that lacks vision and innovation want me to play and pay for.If I were Russ or Brian I would get on E-Bay buy 20 copies of MW4Mercinaries put up a server and let all PGI staff and them play games. Then get on GameRanger http://www.gameranger.com/ and play a few multiplayer games to see how it was done. Then I would REDO MWO to reflect how the past games were games of the year.

Edited by KingCobra, 17 April 2013 - 09:52 AM.

[Splinters]

So one complaint is "not enough content" and then when a new mech comes out "It's OP, ruined the game". Pick a side people and stick with it!

-S

[Coolant]

Zylo, on 17 April 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

Are you meeting entire teams of them though? If you meet just a few this seems to work, if you meet a team of them it's not much fun.

This is true if you meet a team of 8...can be very tough to get near them. But, most games are filled with pick up players who don't jumpsnipe, and once they get killed off, we all know that once a team is down 2 or more, it is VERY hard to end up winning regardless of how many jump-snipers they have left.

[Suprentus]

Nerf everything! NERF IT ALL! AHHAAHHAAA...everything must be nerfed except for the things I like so that no one can play the way I don't like.

...

Why are you all looking at me like that? I'm not crazy. Why won't anyone take me seriously?

[AceTimberwolf]

PropagandaWar, on 17 April 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Glad I suck. Oh crap I play against you. Damnit! #@$@#%@er Poop and all!

Haha prop we gotta play together not against each other. I'll try to play earlier. Tho going to laker game today....

[PropagandaWar]

AceTimberwolf, on 17 April 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Haha prop we gotta play together not against each other. I'll try to play earlier. Tho going to laker game today....

Todays family day anywho then I have the Marik Civil War thing tomorrow. But Im sure Ill catch you on. Have fun at the Lakers. Im So Cal too.