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[Willie Sauerland]

BlackSquirrel, on 17 April 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

ROF delay seems acceptable given the punch and range.

But a RoF delay

increases cooling time

meaning heat

is no longer

as much a

limiting factor.

[Davers]

BlackSquirrel, on 17 April 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

ROF delay seems acceptable given the punch and range.

AC/10s have same damage, faster RoF, and longer overall range. Why is no one calling for them to be nerfed?

[Little Nemo]

Something isn't a problem because YOU think it is.

[hashinshin]

Davers, on 17 April 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

AC/10s have same damage, faster RoF, and longer overall range. Why is no one calling for them to be nerfed?

Because I can fit 2 PPCs on my mech for the same weight as an AC10 + 2 tons of ammo.

Starts to make a little more sense now, doesn't it? If you put 2 AC10s on your mech with 4 tons of ammo I could fit 4 PPCs on my mech. See now why people are boating PPCs and not using ballistics?

Not to mention that the AC10 has less range, the ammo can kill you, has almost 1/2 the projectile speed, and makes up for it with 0.666 more DPS than the PPC.

Edited by hashinshin, 17 April 2013 - 02:38 PM.

[Roland]

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And even at 3.75 they'd STILL do more DPS than the LPL, so that should be a tell.

This is because the pulse lasers, ESPECIALLY the Large Pulse Laser, are terrible, trash-tier weapons. The LL is basically just better in every way that matters compared to the LPL.

The reason the PPC is so much better than the LPL isn't because the PPC is too good.. it's because the LPL is trash. The LPL needs a signficant buff in terms of damage to justify its weight and heat, since its range is so terrible.

[Willie Sauerland]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Starts to make a little more sense now, doesn't it?

No...

You are ignoring

the heat factor.

But I know,

that is insane...

[hashinshin]

Roland, on 17 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

This is because the pulse lasers, ESPECIALLY the Large Pulse Laser, are terrible, trash-tier weapons. The LL is basically just better in every way that matters compared to the LPL.

The reason the PPC is so much better than the LPL isn't because the PPC is too good.. it's because the LPL is trash. The LPL needs a signficant buff in terms of damage to justify its weight and heat, since its range is so terrible.

Okay, so then why is the PPC so blatantly better than the LL?

[BlackSquirrel]

Willie Sauerland, on 17 April 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

But a RoF delay

increases cooling time

meaning heat

is no longer

as much a

limiting factor.

Willie Sauerland, on 17 April 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

But a RoF delay

increases cooling time

meaning heat

is no longer

as much a

limiting factor.

Yes but it does mean you can't shoot as often...

[hashinshin]

Willie Sauerland, on 17 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

No...

You are ignoring

the heat factor.

But I know,

that is insane...

look I'm not gonna respond to you until you talk normally and develop common sense. I mean that's just annoying and stupid at the same time.

[Davers]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Because I can fit 2 PPCs on my mech for the same weight as an AC10 + 2 tons of ammo.

Starts to make a little more sense now, doesn't it? If you put 2 AC10s on your mech with 4 tons of ammo I could fit 4 PPCs on my mech. See now why people are boating PPCs and not using ballistics?

Not to mention that the AC10 has less range, the ammo can kill you, has almost 1/2 the projectile speed, and makes up for it with 0.666 more DPS than the PPC.

Um, AC/10 has 540m more range than PPC. Also has half the heat of PPCs.

But this is not about 'the' PPC. It is about 6 PPCs, right?

[Willie Sauerland]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

look I'm not gonna respond to you until you talk normally and develop common sense. I mean that's just annoying and stupid at the same time.

BlackSquirrel, on 17 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Yes but it does mean you can't shoot as often...

According to the OP,

for 3/4 of a second.

Not a lot.

And if a person

is boating

6 of these bad boys,

then what does

3/4 of a second

really get you?

Another

60 point alpha.

[Deathlike]

Roland, on 17 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

This is because the pulse lasers, ESPECIALLY the Large Pulse Laser, are terrible, trash-tier weapons. The LL is basically just better in every way that matters compared to the LPL.

The reason the PPC is so much better than the LPL isn't because the PPC is too good.. it's because the LPL is trash. The LPL needs a signficant buff in terms of damage to justify its weight and heat, since its range is so terrible.

LPLs simply need a range buff (to 350m or 360m).. no damage buff needed.

[Willie Sauerland]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

look I'm not gonna respond to you until you talk normally and develop common sense. I mean that's just annoying and stupid at the same time.

I have both.

You just don't

want people

to disagree

with you.

Go ahead,

swing the

nerf bat

of your

limited

reality.

[hashinshin]

Davers, on 17 April 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Um, AC/10 has 540m more range than PPC. Also has half the heat of PPCs.

But this is not about 'the' PPC. It is about 6 PPCs, right?

Wanna know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?

The AC10 has 450 range, the PPC has 540 range. The AC10 has 3 heat, the PPC has 8 heat. Me thinks you're looking at the MWO wiki right now and messing up what you're reading while trying to argue something you don't have an idea on.

[Davers]

BlackSquirrel, on 17 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Yes but it does mean you can't shoot as often...

The point is that poptarters wait to cool down before 'popping' so a reduced RoF doesn't really effect them- they are sitting there waiting anyway.

[Salticidae]

U forget the 15-20 tons of heat sinks u need to cool them 4 PPCs.

[Pac Man]

Davers, on 17 April 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Um, AC/10 has 540m more range than PPC. Also has half the heat of PPCs.

But this is not about 'the' PPC. It is about 6 PPCs, right?

To balance the PPCs, you need a whole ton of Heatsinks. A Stalker with 6 PPCs isn't going to be able to Alpha strike more than a few times.

I think a more workable solution to this is some much more severe consequences to high-heat shutdowns and overrides. If you fire your 6 PPCs at 80% heat, and end up (logically) in the 120% heat capacity, then your PPCs should have a chance to literally melt. Or your internals suffer some serious damage right away, not only when you power back up.

[hashinshin]

Davers, on 17 April 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

The point is that poptarters wait to cool down before 'popping' so a reduced RoF doesn't really effect them- they are sitting there waiting anyway.

by that logic there is literally nothing we can do to nerf poptarters, they will forever be OP and woe be to their opponents. The only possible thing we could do to stop them would be to nerf the PPC's damage, which we can't do because it's canon at 10.

Ohhh merciless Ares please give strength to the victims of the unstoppable poptarters!

[Davers]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Wanna know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?

The AC10 has 450 range, the PPC has 540 range. The AC10 has 3 heat, the PPC has 8 heat. Me thinks you're looking at the MWO wiki right now and messing up what you're reading while trying to argue something you don't have an idea on.

AC/10 has 3x range, so 1350 max range. PPC has max range of 2x so 1080. AC/10= Longer Range

[Willie Sauerland]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Wanna know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?

The AC10 has 450 range, the PPC has 540 range. The AC10 has 3 heat, the PPC has 8 heat. Me thinks you're looking at the MWO wiki right now and messing up what you're reading while trying to argue something you don't have an idea on.