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[Bad Karma 308]

http://www.maximumpc...C_2013?page=0,0
Posted 04/18/2013 at 12:30pm | by Josh Norem

We build a machine that’s red and black to hopefully beat our benchmarks black and blue

Variety is the spice of the Lab, so this month we decided to eschew our traditional builds and go with one you don’t see every day—an all-AMD gaming PC, built with (most of) the best parts we could get our hands on. We’re sure some of you will question the purpose of this build, so our pre-emptive answer is we built it because we could, and we were curious to see how a balls-out AMD build would benchmark, as we haven’t seen over-the-top AMD rig since The Matrix: Revolutions let us down. Plus, everyone is always ragging on us for ignoring AMD, so here you go AMD enthusiasts—an entire PC built just for you.

The AMD Gaming PC

We ended up pairing AMD's relatively new “Vishera” Piledriver CPU, the 4GHz FX-8350 (or “Octomom,” as we like to call it) with a totally jacked HD 7970 from Asus and a small army of AMD-ish components, which we figured would make for an interesting build. Finally, we’ve heard your feedback about how you don’t need to see another picture of RAM being inserted into its slot, so this month we’re going to talk about our component selection and the building process instead of showing you how we actually built it. "


Read on..... http://www.maximumpc...C_2013?page=0,0
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[Dragoon20005]

sadly seems like the article is kinda biased against ppl who choose AMD

and like most ppl commented

the choice of parts is really bad taste

DDR-3 1600MHz really???

and the casing screaming red is ewww

[Dragoon20005]

i think cooler master AMD dragon ver will win this beauty contest


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RABq

my take of the AMD build

[Catamount]

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We ended up pairing AMD's relatively new “Vishera” Piledriver CPU, the 4GHz FX-8350 (or “Octomom,” as we like to call it) with a totally jacked HD 7970... this system got smoked by our zero-point rig, which has a hexa-core Sandy Bridge-E and GeForce GTX 690 video card

[Egomane]

I'm speechless!

They compare a build, that has some of the most expensive componets on the market, that is also overclocked, to one that costs half the price and no mention of overclocking?

Yes, that is what I call unbiased! *facepalm*

[ArmageddonKnight]

It wasnt a fair match up tbh ..but i will point out the Zero Point rig was NOT OverClocked, the FX3850 was running at 4ghz the 3930k at 3.8..but as we all know the 3930k has 12 threads ..the AMD 8 threads, AMD's single thread performance is lower than Intel Sandy and Ivy bridges, and the Intel 3930k costs considerably more.
The 690 is a dual GPu card, the 7970 a single...anyway yea unfair comparison.

If the Intel rig was a 3770k and a 680, then it would be fair. Intels top 8 thread CPU vs AMDs top 8 thread CPU, Nvidias top single core gaming card vs AMDs top single core gaming card (excluding the Titan as its more a overpriced enthusiast card than a gaming one)

anyway .... moving on

[Egomane]

ArmageddonKnight, on 19 April 2013 - 07:08 AM, said:

but i will point out the Zero Point rig was NOT OverClocked,

http://www.maximumpc..._benchmarks2012

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The 3930K is stock-clocked at 3.2GHz with Turbo Boost to 3.8GHz. We decided to override the stock clock and run it at 3.8GHz full time, with Turbo taking it to 3.9GHz.

That is a good boost in the base clock. This is not overclocked?
The 8350 comes with 4GHz as stock clock straight from the factory.

Edited by Egomane, 19 April 2013 - 07:53 AM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

Ah i didnt see that, the orignal article however noted the speed of the 3930k under the last bench results on page 4 as 3.8ghz. 3.8ghz btw is stock, when benching the CPU will turbo itself to 3.8ghz ..its not really a OC as it is part of the stock working settings of the 3930k.

if it was however running at 3.9ghz then it was indeed a 100mhz OC

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 19 April 2013 - 08:54 AM.

[Quinn Allard]

ArmageddonKnight, on 19 April 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

Ah i didnt see that, the orignal article however noted the speed of the 3930k under the last bench results on page 4 as 3.8ghz. 3.8ghz btw is stock, when benching the CPU will turbo itself to 3.8ghz ..its not really a OC as it is part of the stock working settings of the 3930k.

if it was however running at 3.9ghz then it was indeed a 100mhz OC

Fords Eco-Boost Turbo motor vs a VG30DETT...which one is Turbo charged? OC is OC bro.....


Yes I agree that the article was incredibly biased. Why not use a Titan? We are talking a $1,000 intel cpu, so why not a $1,000 gpu? Out here, In the real world, you will not see a difference between 60 and 64 fps.....to pay $200-400-600 whatever more for that 4fps is stupid. I say $125 per 10fps above 30fps is fair. So to upgrade your gpu to get from 20fps to 40fps and you pay $250 for said upgrade is ok. To pay $600 and see 30fps to 40fps is not. To pay $600 (new cpu and gpu) to go from 20fps in games like Star Craft 2 (would love to see multi-cores performance in that) to 60fps is a big jump.

[Bad Karma 308]

Quinn Allard, on 19 April 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Fords Eco-Boost Turbo motor vs a VG30DETT...which one is Turbo charged? OC is OC bro.....


We are talking a $1,000 intel cpu,So to upgrade your gpu to get from 20fps to 40fps and you pay $250 for said upgrade is ok. To pay $600 and see 30fps to 40fps is not.

Uh... no. A 3930K sells for $569 at Newegg. The 3960X sells right now for $1069
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But I think you guys are misinterpriting the article.

The point is not that thay are presenting a bias. A zero point rig is just that--a 0 reference by which to judge others. It isn't a "similar build" comparison.

They built that rig a while back. And it sets the bar by which all contenders are judged. Somw rigs place higher, some lower.


They simply put together an all AMD based system to see what AMD's best can do. Maybe if Malta was out then it would place a bit better on the scale.

Besides there is also evidence that an AMD CPU actually favors Nvidia in SLi over AMD in Crossfire. http://www.tomshardw...eneck,3471.html

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 19 April 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[Havok1978]

Bad Karma 308, on 18 April 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

http://www.maximumpc...C_2013?page=0,0
Posted 04/18/2013 at 12:30pm | by Josh Norem

We build a machine that’s red and black to hopefully beat our benchmarks black and blue

Variety is the spice of the Lab, so this month we decided to eschew our traditional builds and go with one you don’t see every day—an all-AMD gaming PC, built with (most of) the best parts we could get our hands on. We’re sure some of you will question the purpose of this build, so our pre-emptive answer is we built it because we could, and we were curious to see how a balls-out AMD build would benchmark, as we haven’t seen over-the-top AMD rig since The Matrix: Revolutions let us down. Plus, everyone is always ragging on us for ignoring AMD, so here you go AMD enthusiasts—an entire PC built just for you.

The AMD Gaming PC

We ended up pairing AMD's relatively new “Vishera” Piledriver CPU, the 4GHz FX-8350 (or “Octomom,” as we like to call it) with a totally jacked HD 7970 from Asus and a small army of AMD-ish components, which we figured would make for an interesting build. Finally, we’ve heard your feedback about how you don’t need to see another picture of RAM being inserted into its slot, so this month we’re going to talk about our component selection and the building process instead of showing you how we actually built it. "


Read on..... http://www.maximumpc...C_2013?page=0,0
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this is almost IDENTACLE to my build.. I approve and yes the vishera is quite beefy!
I'm useing the FX6300 which is same chip as 8350 with 2 cores locked.
and I'm using the AMD/ATI 7850 2 gig, all MSI components. mines OC'ed to the bone tho and I get 60FPS consistant.
Alot of people think/thought I was full of it when I said this earlier this year but am very glad to see some are using it.. btw that case is effing wicked.

however, my build cost 700$ total.. so, dunno what crack they are smoking

Edited by Havok1978, 19 April 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[Quinn Allard]

Bad Karma 308, on 19 April 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Uh... no. A 3930K sells for $569 at Newegg. The 3960X sells right now for $1069
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But I think you guys are misinterpriting the article.

The point is not that thay are presenting a bias. A zero point rig is just that--a 0 reference by which to judge others. It isn't a "similar build" comparison.

They built that rig a while back. And it sets the bar by which all contenders are judged. Somw rigs place higher, some lower.


They simply put together an all AMD based system to see what AMD's best can do. Maybe if Malta was out then it would place a bit better on the scale.

Besides there is also evidence that an AMD CPU actually favors Nvidia in SLi over AMD in Crossfire. http://www.tomshardw...eneck,3471.html

Like how you edited my quote there. Wasnt talking about his intel, talking about the one in the article. Also, when I was talking about $$$ per fps I wasnt refering to the $1,000 intel. About the Turbo vs Turbo (btw a VG30DETT is a Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo) I was talking about he said it really wasnt OCing because thats what it sets itself to when benchmarking.....which is still OCing. Setting as a 0 ref build with a $1,000 CPU and top of the line GPU is like comparing every car out there to the Buggati Veyron SS.

Edited by Quinn Allard, 19 April 2013 - 04:41 PM.

[Bad Karma 308]

Edited your quote? The article's 0 piont rig is a I7-3930K which sells at $569......The post you quoted was also a I7-3930K.

"Our current desktop test bed consists of a hexa-core 3.2GHz Core i7-3930K @ 3.8GHz, 8GB of Corsair DDR3/1600, on an Asus Sabertooth X79 motherboard. We are running a GeForce GTX 690, an OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, and 64-bit Windows 7 Professional."

So now your not refereing to the $1000 I7-3960X , but..,now you are..... Your the one making these references. If that isn't your intention then I'd say you have very poor communication skills.

And no, your engine reference isn't very accurate to this situatation.

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 19 April 2013 - 05:06 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Quinn Allard, on 19 April 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Fords Eco-Boost Turbo motor vs a VG30DETT...which one is Turbo charged? OC is OC bro.....

I choose the Nissan engine. Lot's easier to play with.

[Dragoon20005]

after this article which left me a bad aftertaste

i think most will agree with me that maximumPC isnt professional in writing articles

ew

[Gremlich Johns]

Dragoon20005, on 18 April 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

i think cooler master AMD dragon ver will win this beauty contest


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RABq

my take of the AMD build

It's all about personal esthetics. I like the OP version. There's no accounting for taste, eh!

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 20 April 2013 - 07:16 AM.

[Barbaric Soul]

Quinn Allard, on 19 April 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

.....which is still OCing. .

It's not OCíng if the CPU will do it at stock settings. 3.8 full time, 3.8 only when needed. What's the difference? Either way, the CPU is still running at 3.8 when loaded.

[Bad Karma 308]

Dragoon20005, on 20 April 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

after this article which left me a bad aftertaste

i think most will agree with me that maximumPC isnt professional in writing articles

ew

You made and assumption without actually understanding the article. MaximumPC has been around for quite awhile and is one of the most repected and influential tech site/magazines in the industry. Many of the botique PC building companies like Velocity Micro and Falcon Northwest, base their product lines around Maximum PC designs. When AMD puts out a winning product Maximum PC will often be the ones to trumpet it first.

Because they don't reinforce your already held beliefs, it doesn't make them less professional.

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 20 April 2013 - 02:30 PM.

[Egomane]

Well... Bad Karma 308, you need to agree that this article was pretty badly worded on the summary.

It looks like the whole article was created to show how bad AMD is. Even if that is not the intend.

[Bad Karma 308]

Egomane, on 20 April 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

It looks like the whole article was created to show how bad AMD is. Even if that is not the intend.

I think what you guys are misinterpreting is that it isn't bias, I think what your reading is more of a disappointment. A lot of their readers and forum members were asking for that AMD build so they complied. Sadly, AMD just really doesn't seem to be interested in the race anymore, won't, or can't.

MaximumPC is all about balls out PC builds. They don't get enthused about half measures concerning performance. Since the Core 2 Duo days, it has been all Intel, with very little to write about from AMD from most sites. Very little interesting outside of their GPU lines, and that has more to do with the ATI side of the house, that has been noteworthy of AMD. Trust me, if both companies were neck and neck again, all the tech sites would be a buzz.

I've met the writer of the article many times throughout the years, and while Josh is only an acquaintance, the talks I've had with him have left me with a high level of respect for him and the work he does, I've found him in no way bias, just a true enthusiast.