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[MischiefSC]

Telling you, heat back up a teeny bit. Not enough to make a huge difference for 1 or 2 PPCs but KILLER for 3 or 4 or more. Also a heat scale. Slowing you, screwing up weapon convergence, slowing lock times, slowing weapon refire rates at high levels. That would be AWESOME. It would change the whole pace of the game down a bit and I'm all for that. I love a good brawl, I do, but instead of it being 'who shuts down first' it'll be about heat management. Who slows down enough they can't keep the turning radius up first, that sort of thing. Suddenly my JJs are not a magical 'get out of torso LOF in a brawl' button since they'll heat me up and that's exactly what I do NOT want to do.

Do it. It would be sexy.

[Corbon Zackery]

The issue is the reduction of heat buy 3 points its letting people boat them in large numbers. since a PPC is now 7 heat and ER PPC are now 12 heat.

[Greyfyl]

MischiefSC, on 22 April 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Telling you, heat back up a teeny bit. Not enough to make a huge difference for 1 or 2 PPCs but KILLER for 3 or 4 or more. Also a heat scale. Slowing you, screwing up weapon convergence, slowing lock times, slowing weapon refire rates at high levels. That would be AWESOME. It would change the whole pace of the game down a bit and I'm all for that. I love a good brawl, I do, but instead of it being 'who shuts down first' it'll be about heat management. Who slows down enough they can't keep the turning radius up first, that sort of thing. Suddenly my JJs are not a magical 'get out of torso LOF in a brawl' button since they'll heat me up and that's exactly what I do NOT want to do.

Do it. It would be sexy.

Bravo!!!!

[John Clavell]

It's not as bad a situation as LRMs, but look how they have gone over the last few months. PPCs got a few buffs, it's the essence of state-rewind has then effect that state. IMHO they one thing they could maybe do is decrease velocity to the same as gauss. But otherwise I feel the PPC and ERPPCs and pretty well metrically balanced. Certainly their functionality as a counter to ECM was a good design decision.

Edited by John Clavell, 23 April 2013 - 06:18 AM.

[Twisted Power]

DarkDevilDancer, on 20 April 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

They became popular because you can finally hit things with them at range thanks to state rewind.

PPCs are a staple of the battletech universe and it's right they feature prominently, if your getting hit alot then your not using cover properly and exposing yourself as a big fat target.

Sniping only works on targets you can see, use cover get in close and those PPCs become a burden instead.

You can't use the "use cover argument". We tried it with LRMs but PGI just put ECM in the game with messed up mechanics so that players can just walk anywhere they like.

[Iron Frost]

Really - this troll post managed to hook that many people?

[Ransack]

we are fostering a trend.

[Phingers]

Ialti, on 21 April 2013 - 12:44 AM, said:

...But the things that killed you were SRM's. Says so in your screen post.

You cant read can you...it says SRM destroyed, damage was from PPC and ERPPC

[Phingers]

I reckon maybe a heat penalty just stacking more 2 of any weapon type. Aka the 3 rd weapon now gives percentage penalty to heat only small, say 10 percent, but go 4 and now you get 50 percent.

[Voidcrafter]

The weapon itself is not the problem.
The current variety of mechs that can mount it and abuse poptarding are.
The current variety of mech's hardpoints, allowing a mech to carry more than 3 of them is an issue too.
PPCs were almost useless before they got the heat-tweak few months back - since I play mostly with them(in a ballanced way, not boating) now I feel them that they are where they should be - PPC is a vialable weapon.
And 'tis about time for this.
Stop whining about something that's quite alright and start whine about how mechs should be restricted to not go boating.
Cause currently that's what makes the game seem inballanced and I'm sure you can admit the same thing.

I myself too don't like to be hit from 4+PPC stalker to say the least, but as much as I dislike poptarding will admit that 2xPPC 1xGauss poptard seems legit.
The weapons themselves are not the problem for me - the short ammount of time I got to hit a poptarding mech + the fact that I fight in his terms is the problem.
Close up and personal I ordinary kill those(providing a poptard is even a Highlander) with a heavy mech without much of problems.

[GalaxyBluestar]

i'll agree with everyone who says ppcs are fine...when i see assaults and mediums carrying srms ac20 medium lasers ac5-10 ultra ac5s again.

all i see on a loadout is erppc erppc gauss - other loose end weapons.

don't let the other problems of the past blind you, everyone using raven 3l = bad. everyone using lrms = bad. so everyone using ppcs = good?

poptarts are a fraction of the problem, stalkers and atlas are going that way too, everyone laughed at an atlas with explodable gauss, but he fear not missles nor flanking nor brawls to pop it, that's what the ppc sniper has done. the gameplay variety what little there was has vanished.

check the how you try and work with pug teams thread
When You Pug, How Much Do You Work With Your Team?


noone targets anymore, why would you when you just point and shoot at anyrange! no lock ons needed you know what builds everyone's running, just look around, no need for radar anymore point shoot win. pugs don't care if they're flanked even by an assault cause only one guy is bound to break the sniper trend by doing so and will eventually be focused fired to nothing. that's what the game is, NOTHING!

you know the game is not balanced and every mech dares not to try other weapons other than boating what you can, because 500m away an 40alpha has your name on it, and no the large laser boats are dwindling too as an alpha of 5 at 800m isn't bothering the erppc boat.

you know the game is bad when everyone uses the same gear, ecmonline, lrmsonline, streaksonline, YOU ALL cried foul of those so if you're satisfied with ppc and gauss being the only weapons worth having i feel sorry for you, you don't care about mechs with missles hard points you don't care that running lights and mediums need ppcs to survive cause that 6 small pulse laser jenner won't cut it, nore will that 4 Ml 2 srm4 jenner, they're rare and/or dead, so please don't say ppc's are good because they work, say everything else is broken because NOBODY'S USING IT.

you don't care about balance and customisation is pointless cause we can omni a farrari and can't be nearely as competative without it, why would you do without it? the only reason i'm wasting my precious time typing this is because i want MWO to achieve what the others failed to achieve. those old games suffered this problem and that it's exactly why at the moment THIS FAILIER THAT KILLED OLD MECH GAMES WILL KILL THIS ONE.

fix other weapons up {ac10 lbx10 mgs flamers ac5 small lasers small pulse lasers medium pulse lasers srm2 srm4 even srm6 lrm5 lrm 10} and maybe people won't feel that in order to be competative in a highlander they won't need to be a sniper poptart.

you know it makes sense.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 22 April 2013 - 11:44 PM.

[Inkarnus]

you did it wrong
* Welcome To PPC-Assault Warrior Online *
fixed it

[GutterBoy5]

What did you think was gonna happen when highlander was released .adapt stop moaning, ppc /gauss have always been main weapons of BT. Yes they got a lot of fire power but a lot of heat goes with that. Get in close & brawl them it works.

Your title should be " moaning warrior online"
You think this is bad , The CLANS are coming. I'm actual more worried with the moaning that's gonna create rather than the actual clans themselves.
Clan streak 2,4&6s
Clan er large laser
& the clan list goes on & on.
Your gonna cry so hard your eyes are gonna bleed.

[Jelan]

It's getting something when even the light mechs on your team are sporting PPC's lol

[Yokaiko]

Jelan, on 23 April 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

It's getting something when even the light mechs on your team are sporting PPC's lol

That is monkey see, monkey do, and they get ruined when a normal light finds them.

[Kahoumono]

I will say it for the thousand time, its not the weapon but the ability to stack them and fire them in unison with perfect weapon convergence. It takes some skill to alpha them all at once and duck back into cover to cool down. It would take way more skill to fire them from individual body parts and hit consistently, think clan warhawk/masakari...

[Phingers]

You cant brawl when a4 man group drops with 4 ERPPC....each.

Why you ask? Cause the 4 man sticks together calls the target and 16 ER PPC blow the brawler away....

Rush with brawlers sorry one shotting mechs means brawlers may kill two of the 4 but they wont win with the last two shooting 8 PPC.....brawlers get wiped...we did it already ...one shot one atlas dead one stalker dead in two shots from our 4 man. Throw in a couple of ac/ 20 jagers. You show your head your dead.

[Phingers]

You know its bad when u see ravens packing ppc,

One match saw even a jager with 4 er pcc and and awesome with 6 ppc..... I mean seriously!!!!!! Anyone who argues in defence just wants the stupidity to continue.


It is PPC online atm

[aniviron]

Mokou, on 20 April 2013 - 02:22 AM, said:

Oh coem on. What do you suggest? NERF PPC? Make them make 1 dmg or 50 heat?
And kill AWS mech? Oh yes, i u mount lasers on AWS. AWS with lasers, what kind of stupid.
Try go close fight with PPC or even ER PPC.

The AWS is actually a pretty bad PPC boat. Not enough tons, no jump jets, and surprisingly few energy hardpoints.

Also, I'm running a 9M with lasers and I'm in the top ten Awesomes for the tourney weekend. Works okay for me.

[Karl Streiger]

Maybe the biggest problem is not PPC not even the 3D with 4PPCs and JJ.

The problem is the audience the game is adressed to:

Look when Game was hardly even in the Alpha or Closed Beta - the forum was populated by Mechwarrior Fans and BattleTech Fans plus some BattleTech BoardGame fans.

Sound similar but it isn't some wanted a aiming system as we have it now, other wanted a system were the mech counts, less the pilot.
That discussion is just an example.
With the closed and later the open beta... other audience come to the game too.

So we have a wide field of different players that expect total different things from MWO.
Some want a simulation
Some want a action simulation
Some want a tactical shooter
Some want a fast paced shooter

Problem is: the game adresses hardly anybody of them full.
For FPS - gamers

• small maps with lots of cover
  
• respawns - and tickets
  
• maybe 3rd Person
  
• more simple game mods
  
• lots of high alpha weapons

For the complete opposite you need more open maps, less frequent weapon fire. More heat, more restrictions in mech lab

• large open maps
  
• serious heat and physical issues
  
• more detailed hit boxes
  
• more time for setup
  
• less possibilitys in the Mechlab

Actually the game feels actual like a MW4
Its curious. I knew when i come to this game...i stoped playing MWLL in the same moment. MWO felt better...in the current state however MWLL did several things better so i think that it was the better game.