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[Keifomofutu]

Taemien, on 21 April 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

Hey troll, the intelligent people are trying to have a discussion here. Maybe when you can actually counterpoint a post rather than resorting to insults, you'll warrant the same in return. Until then you are nothing but a troll.

Why don't you just create a new thread for you to create strawmen and then knock them down. You won't even need another poster to do it. Nobody asked for 4dps mgs. The highest I've seen from a serious poster is 2 dps. And most seem to agree on 1.2dps.

[TOGSolid]

Yokaiko, on 21 April 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

Way to make my point.

8 mans are inherently broken though. Almost nothing in them is viable except PPCs, Gauss Rifles, and maaaaaaaaaaybe AC/20s if you get the right map. They are a great barometer of the true meta game but there are a LOT of other issues like the lack of tonnage limits that contribute to things being the way they are right now.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[Yokaiko]

lol and /facepalm

[TOGSolid]

Yokaiko, on 21 April 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

lol and /facepalm

Please feel free to point out where my last post is wrong.

You can't use 8-mans as a way to point at a weapon being bad because otherwise you're implying that almost every weapon besides those in this game is bad and we know that's not the case.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 01:50 PM.

[Yokaiko]

I did like 6 posts ago, I'm not repeating myself.

Its more amusing to watch you flail.

[TOGSolid]

Yokaiko, on 21 April 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

I did like 6 posts ago, I'm not repeating myself.

Its more amusing to watch you flail.

Except you didn't. You just don't want to admit you have nothing of value to contribute to this thread.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 01:52 PM.

[Yokaiko]

Yokaiko, on 21 April 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

You are missing the point where AC2s are actually near the highest DPS in the game tied with the AC10 and only eclipsed by the AC20.

....so why aren't there eleventy billion nerf AC2 threads?


I'll tell you, uptime.

DPS<Alpha period.

Gee remember that.

[TOGSolid]

Yokaiko, on 21 April 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Gee remember that.

And it's STILL completely irrelevant which was my original point AND you're completely missing the past couple posts where I pointed out how your argument has a giant whole in it.

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8 mans are inherently broken though. Almost nothing in them is viable except PPCs, Gauss Rifles, and maaaaaaaaaaybe AC/20s if you get the right map. They are a great barometer of the true meta game but there are a LOT of other issues like the lack of tonnage limits that contribute to things being the way they are right now.

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You can't use 8-mans as a way to point at a weapon being bad because otherwise you're implying that almost every weapon besides those in this game is bad and we know that's not the case.

Gee, remember that? Besides, there aren't a billion buff AC/2 threads either so I guess going by flimsy forum logic they're ok. I'm not responding to a single thing you say from here on out because you have STILL refused to say what the flying **** your original post has to do with ANYTHING that we were talking about. Get the **** out of here until you're willing to talk about the topic at hand.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 01:58 PM.

[stjobe]

Guys, if you're just going to troll each other please do it somewhere else.

[TOGSolid]

stjobe, on 21 April 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

Guys, if you're just going to troll each other please do it somewhere else.

Eh, I'm done with him. He hasn't said anything of value at all in this thread and if he keeps it up I'm just going to report his *** to the mods.
BACK ON TOPIC, here's what I responded to your last post with stjobe:

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Your argument is sound, I'm just really gunshy of starting out with that much DPS at the start, especially on a weapon with no real heat and crapload of ammo per ton. As hilarious as Machinegungeddon sounds I'd like to avoid it. I think starting with a modest increase to 1 DPS and raising it as necessary will be a better solution and one that PGI would be much more inclined to roll with. If it needs to go higher we can always raise it. Besides, we need SOMETHING for the HMG to do when it finally gets in game.


Definitely no argument here. MGs are just god awful bad right now.

[Yokaiko]

stjobe, on 21 April 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

Guys, if you're just going to troll each other please do it somewhere else.

You are no fun.

Besides the trolling is likely he only thing keeping this from getting banished the the MG feedback thread.

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Eh, I'm done with him. He hasn't said anything of value at all in this thread and if he keeps it up I'm just going to report his *** to the mods.

Report me than, won't be the first time, won't be the last.

[TOGSolid]

Yokaiko, on 21 April 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

You are no fun.

Besides the trolling is likely he only thing keeping this from getting banished the the MG feedback thread.



Report me than, won't be the first time, won't be the last.

You mean the black pit mods throw things that PGI doesn't want to listen to?

EDIT: Your wish is my command.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 02:00 PM.

[Yokaiko]

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

You mean the black pit mods throw things that PGI doesn't want to listen to?

Why of course.

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

EDIT: Your wish is my command.

LOL

[stjobe]

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Your argument is sound, I'm just really gunshy of starting out with that much DPS at the start, especially on a weapon with no real heat and crapload of ammo per ton. As hilarious as Machinegungeddon sounds I'd like to avoid it. I think starting with a modest increase to 1 DPS and raising it as necessary will be a better solution and one that PGI would be much more inclined to roll with. If it needs to go higher we can always raise it. Besides, we need SOMETHING for the HMG to do when it finally gets in game.


Definitely no argument here. MGs are just god awful bad right now.

Sorry, missed your edit in all the trolling.

The problem with starting out too low is that PGI is likely to go "there, fixed it for you" and never revisit it. If we start out too high, they're unlikely to just leave it in and we may end up in a viable place. Frankly, the MG has been terrible since it was programmed into the game, so two weeks of slightly too high DPS probably won't kill the game.

Besides, as I said they patch every two weeks, you'd think they'd want to experiment a bit with a game that's in beta... Right?

Finally, as I said earlier in the thread, even giving the MG 4.0 DPS won't translate to 4.0 DPS in practice, more like 2.0 DPS. And giving it 1 DPS will translate to 0.5 DPS in practice - which is still do low for it to be viable.

Edited by stjobe, 21 April 2013 - 02:09 PM.

[Yokaiko]

stjobe, on 21 April 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Sorry, missed your edit in all the trolling.

The problem with starting out too low is that PGI is likely to go "there, fixed it for you" and never revisit it. If we start out too high, they're unlikely to just leave it in and we may end up in a viable place. Frankly, the MG has been terrible since it was programmed into the game, so two weeks of slightly too high DPS probably won't kill the game.

Besides, as I said they patch every two weeks, you'd think they'd want to experiment a bit with a game that's in beta... Right?

Do you forget, MGs damage was actually doubled once.

[101011]

jeffsw6, on 20 April 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

One day I'm going to beg my in-game friends to make a 4-man of SDR-5K and see if we can actually kill an enemy. Need to dig up my fraps license code.

*Insert shameless self advertising*
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2213768

[TOGSolid]

stjobe, on 21 April 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Sorry, missed your edit in all the trolling.

The problem with starting out too low is that PGI is likely to go "there, fixed it for you" and never revisit it. If we start out too high, they're unlikely to just leave it in and we may end up in a viable place. Frankly, the MG has been terrible since it was programmed into the game, so two weeks of slightly too high DPS probably won't kill the game.

Besides, as I said they patch every two weeks, you'd think they'd want to experiment a bit with a game that's in beta... Right?

Yeah, it's basically a catch 22 either way really. One will be hard to convince PGI and potentially cause a ballistic apocalypse but will lead to better balancing, the other could end up not going far enough and cause MGs to get ignored again.

Though, a ballistic apocalypse would at least be pretty funny so I guess that part is not that bad.

I think we just need to blow up the Reddit AMA coming up with MG questions so that they get the point even more clearly. Since I'm busy tourney trolling anyway I might buy the 4 MG spider and make some videos of my adventures just to make it even more clear that the ******** MGs suck.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[Yokaiko]

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Since I'm busy tourney trolling anyway I might buy the 4 MG spider and make some videos of my adventures just to make it even more clear that the ******** MGs suck.

Oh boy Reddit.

Big pics and little words. What could possibly go wrong.

[TOGSolid]

Yokaiko, on 21 April 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

Oh boy Reddit.

Big pics and little words. What could possibly go wrong.

I dunno, I don't actually post there and think it's a giant shithole but at least Bryan Ekman will have to deal with a bajillion WHY DO YOU HATE MG questions.

[Yokaiko]

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I dunno, I don't actually post there and think it's a giant shithole but at least Bryan Ekman will have to deal with a bajillion WHY DO YOU HATE MG questions.

He has all of these boards. Why should reddit be special?


.....rhetorical, don't answer that, I know.

Edited by Yokaiko, 21 April 2013 - 02:15 PM.