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[Staplebeater]

Idon't know what is going on but MWO is just getting less fun. I normally solo PUG some during the day but i am about to just stop even attempting to PUG what so ever. Even with ELO, my games normally end 8-2 or 2-8. I rarely get the close match with some long range supporting fire, flanking, and then an all out brawl of some type to finish it out.

It is absolutely no fun to lose 2-8 when you know have lost before the first shots are fired due to positioning of your PUGs mechs. One side or the other is playing PPC warrior online better than the other and they will get the other side down 2-3 mechs then the rush and kill the rest. Often times 3-4 mechs will not engage in the fight cause they are doing what the forums say and are staying behind cover. Then the ones trying to flank or make a game of just die in a ball of fire and the under cover folks just get dog pilled.

I think the problem is two fold. First ELO is measured as a group statistic (group win/loss sets points value) but is then used in matching as a individual statistic (you have an ELO and it gets you into your match). I have seen the graphs of the a nice Gaussian distribution of ELO but i would contend that those ELO values are largely inaccurate in measuring player skill cause they in no way measure player skill they measure team skill. You could be complete stud but if your team is stupid or has a couple stupid player that get away from the group and die it is over (the inverse of being trash and still winning also applies). ELO measurement needs to have some individual component to its measure like ranking within the match (top match score gets more points then low match score)

The second issue PPC warrior online. Right now the only counter to PPC is more PPCs. I know i know "move under cover", "you only get shot cause you are dumb", "learn to play noob". The issue is that the PPC crowd knows the fire lines and they are supporting each other. Many of the maps have sections where there is no cover to be had once the PPC team gets into position. Think of the ridge near the epsilon cap point on alpine there is the large no mans land and no way to approach under cover. I think the cause of this issue is two things. LRMs not being viable for taking out the sniper in hiding. Second, is inflated percentage of alpine and tourmaline where the PPC folks are home on large maps and don't have to suffer through river city where they can be flanked more easily. I absolutely dread alpine cause i know it is just a PPC fest.

Edited by Staplebeater, 23 April 2013 - 07:23 AM.

[KinLuu]

The only constant factor in your team is yourself.

[DerSpecht]

Adapt or die...

[Cyb3rPr1m3]

and the formatting on your post.. is horrible.

[Levon K]

I hear ya bro. Take a break like the rest of us. Try FireFall, cool game.

You'll get flamed alot on these forums for expressing yourself, just like the first two responses you got.

[pencilboom]

Levon K, on 23 April 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

I hear ya bro. Take a break like the rest of us. Try FireFall, cool game.

You'll get flamed alot on these forums for expressing yourself, just like the first two responses you got.

do you have a beta invite for Firefall? I'm considering to purchase the founder package at some point but I'd really love to try the game first

[DarkDevilDancer]

I've been getting quite a few close matches of late, still the odd game ends in a complete rout but of late it has been alot fairer.

As said Above adapt or die, it's the Darwinian law that rules everything.

[mdemon81]

pencilboom, on 23 April 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

do you have a beta invite for Firefall? I'm considering to purchase the founder package at some point but I'd really love to try the game first

I've got a bunch of Firefall Beta keys lying around. Founder you see, fair warning though its an actual Beta.

PM an email if you're keen.

[PurpleNinja]

Levon K, on 23 April 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

I hear ya bro. Take a break like the rest of us. Try FireFall, cool game.
You'll get flamed alot on these forums for expressing yourself, just like the first two responses you got.

Never heard of it before, will check out.
Flaming posts is the only use of a Flamer on this game.

[Levon K]

pencilboom, on 23 April 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

do you have a beta invite for Firefall? I'm considering to purchase the founder package at some point but I'd really love to try the game first

mdemon81, on 23 April 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

I've got a bunch of Firefall Beta keys lying around. Founder you see, fair warning though its an actual Beta.

PM an email if you're keen.

PurpleNinja, on 23 April 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

Never heard of it before, will check out.
Flaming posts is the only use of a Flamer on this game.

I bought the 100 dollar founder pack blind. I only knew about it when someone posted a link here to that article talking about the new "founder program" concept.

Link: http://www.gamefront...-at-great-risk/

I also checked their forums and found out some others from MWO were playing FireFall in the meantime while waiting for new content / better experience.

I was given 5 beta invites with the purchase of the pack. So basically PM me or mdemon81 for an invite if interested.

[DerSpecht]

Levon K, on 23 April 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

I hear ya bro. Take a break like the rest of us. Try FireFall, cool game.

You'll get flamed alot on these forums for expressing yourself, just like the first two responses you got.

Yea.. like firefall would be different. Much more QQ because tiers were removed and soldier still owns pvp because of the best dmg aoe weapon ingame..

[zraven7]

The game is likely going to get a lil more cold for PUGing as things go on. It really is geared to being heavily team based. I usually only pug a round or two as a warm up, then jump in with the LWs. Is your clan/merc corp not on as often as you'd like?

[Yokaiko]

zraven7, on 23 April 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

The game is likely going to get a lil more cold for PUGing as things go on. It really is geared to being heavily team based. I usually only pug a round or two as a warm up, then jump in with the LWs. Is your clan/merc corp not on as often as you'd like?

Funny almost all of changes to teams nerfed them. I still haven't seen an 8 man launch before US prime.

[Gregore]

It's because 75% of players now are poptart or poptart assimilated (Meaning 2/3 erppc and a gauss).

Game is boring again, just like when the LRM's were so overpowered.

Oh well premium time is up, guess it is time for a break. Maybe today's news (and possible patch??) will make some changes.

[Rebas Kradd]

You've hit upon the one complaint that I have about the present state of ballistics - it gives you too many teammates who are too busy sniping to actually pay attention to the rest of your team.

[Sephlock]

Rebas Kradd, on 23 April 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

You've hit upon the one complaint that I have about the present state of ballistics - it gives you too many teammates who are too busy sniping to actually pay attention to the rest of your team.

On the other hand, its hilarious to sneak up behind the enemy line and core them all from behind like Batman taking out goons one by one.

[Viper69]

MadPanda, on 23 April 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

Primitive gyro stabilization. You know we (US)experimented with guided missiles with chickens or pigeons in them for living guidance systems. They pecked at a control panel to guide the missile towards a picture of a ship.

[Jonathan Paine]

I actually thought pugging as better this weekend. Many of the good teams were pugging instead due to the tournament. Are you paying conquest or assault?

[zraven7]

Viper69, on 23 April 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Primitive gyro stabilization. You know we (US)experimented with guided missiles with chickens or pigeons in them for living guidance systems. They pecked at a control panel to guide the missile towards a picture of a ship.

Ya know, I'm pretty sure you're kidding, but the US has done crazier things, so I can't be sure.

[Sir Trent Howell]

Let me get this straight. You're playing a team-based game alone and complaining? Do you not see the disconnect here.