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[El Bandito]

Just saw the enemy's RVN-4X and TBT-5J both poptarting with PPCs. The future of our lights and mediums.

Pretty sad.

Edited by El Bandito, 22 April 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[Dataman]

maybe it's because the AvsTW tourney?

I miss good old brawling.

[Vassago Rain]

Dataman, on 21 April 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

maybe it's because the AvsTW tourney?

I miss good old brawling.

This is what happens when you remove the only brawling weapon in the game.

[RG Notch]

Vassago Rain, on 21 April 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

This is what happens when you remove the only brawling weapon in the game.

Yep and then people who can't be assed to adapt will whine in every thread about it. One good thing about meta changes are always the tears of those who thought they mastered it and that nothing would ever change.

[Chunkylad]

RG Notch, on 21 April 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Yep and then people who can't be assed to adapt will whine in every thread about it. One good thing about meta changes are always the tears of those who thought they mastered it and that nothing would ever change.

^

Adapt or die. I have had to do so too, I used to only play cents/cicadas, now I have had to try other medium mechs to test their effectiveness in the current meta. (IMO cent is still a beast of a mech, absorbs so much damage)

[Dracol]

Jump snipin with a ppc treb is not a new thing. After the state rewind was put in place it did make em easier to run.

[Flash Yoghurt]

The thread title is fitting.... I find myself agreeing with Vassago Rain...

All the screams of "L2P n00b" and "adapt or die" are truly saddening: Some of us just want a decently balanced game were many varied loadouts can be used. Even non-boating ones with different weapons for different ranges (the HERESY!).
At the moment you more or less have to use the "fotm" if you dont want to die many, many horrible, pointless deaths, wether its Lurms or PPCs.

[MrPenguin]

Vassago Rain, on 21 April 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

This is what happens when you remove the only brawling weapon in the game.

Ac/20's have been removed?

[Ilwrath]

El Bandito, on 21 April 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

Just saw the enemy's RVN-4X and TBT-5J both poptarting with PPCs.

Pretty sad.

Awful use of the raven. It should be capping the base. Very good for splitting enemy team.
PPC's are not nice to use when you are moving fast pointless on light mechs.

[WhupAzz]

A poptarting Raven 4X ??

Clay pigeon shooting anyone?

... PULL!! ..... BOOM! ... Nice shot old boy.

[krash27]

Vassago Rain, on 21 April 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

This is what happens when you remove the only brawling weapon in the game.

You know, I have to totaly agree with you here.
I have had my face smashed off by splatcats many many times. Not once did I ever say to myself "NERF TEH NOOB SRMS"
Normaly I cuss myself out and then say to myself "For fox creek, why the heck did I get that close to a SRM boat!"

[TheSteelRhino]

Haha. Nice easy targets i say. And i dont pilot poptarts or stalkers

[DaZur]

El Bandito, on 21 April 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

Just saw the enemy's RVN-4X and TBT-5J both poptarting with PPCs.

Pretty sad.

Want to know why it's gaining momentum?

People are choosing to complain about it rather than counter it...

This mentality is so flipping pervasive in this community it's outright ridiculous. Like ECM, Like LRMs, like boating, etc..etc..etc...

This community feels like this bizarre blameless society where no one accepts responsibility to solves player-based issues like this and choose rather to demand nerfs and buffs and utter agonizing wails of injustice.

Edited by DaZur, 21 April 2013 - 11:09 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

MrPenguin, on 21 April 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Ac/20's have been removed?

My mechs usually have two arms. I can't take twin AC20s on any of the mechs I really like.

Centurions, commandos, atlas DDC, former half SRM/half medium laser stalkers, the one acceptable awesome...they're all useless. Many mechs can't realistically take excess tons of ballistics, or don't even have the slots for it, so they're useless.

Or when they're not, the mechs change to fit the game. For instance, all stalkers are now PPCboats or large laser boats. They don't take SRMs or streaks. You don't see commandos. Centurions? Okay.

[Akulakhan]

Adapt or die is a really good frame of mind to have when game changes make sense, and diversify instead of narrow down gameplay.

Anyone can use jump snipers, they've been part of the meta for a long time now in competitive play and they're not going anywhere, either.

The problem is they're becoming the ONLY way to play. In a game, adaptation is one thing, but forcing the playerbase to load out their mechs a certain way because of changes you've made to the game is surely one way to kill it. A game like this REQUIRES diverse playstyles to survive and remain interesting, and it's surely not heading in that direction right now.

[Owlfeathers]

Somebody used their ERPPC-armed Raven to poptart? Ew. Ravens with ERPPCs are a wonderful thing, but using one to poptart is simply not right (nor effective). It's a much better use of the ERPPC Raven to flank and countersnipe enemy poptart lines from behind, mine kills heavies with three alphas to the back. Half the time they don't even know I'm there.

Edit: I've been using a dual ERPPC Raven (and a Jenner armed the same way before Ravens were added) since closed beta, and I will never stop using it. Evar.

Edited by Owlfeathers, 21 April 2013 - 12:02 PM.

[Mystere]

DaZur, on 21 April 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

Want to know why it's gaining momentum? People are choosing to complain about it rather than counter it... This mentality is so flipping pervasive in this community it's outright ridiculous. Like ECM, Like LRMs, like boating, etc..etc..etc... This community feels like this bizarre blameless society where no one accepts responsibility to solves player-based issues like this and choose rather to demand nerfs and buffs and utter agonizing wails of injustice.

Of course, it's always someone else's fault. It's almost like those parents who blame the government and school system for not raising their children properly.

Akulakhan, on 21 April 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

The problem is they're becoming the ONLY way to play.

No they are NOT. People either just stopped finding another way, or it's just another of those "Monkey see, monkey do" moments.

Edited by Mystere, 21 April 2013 - 12:30 PM.

[DocBach]

RG Notch, on 21 April 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Yep and then people who can't be assed to adapt will whine in every thread about it. One good thing about meta changes are always the tears of those who thought they mastered it and that nothing would ever change.

or like, people who enjoy balanced games that don't revolve around a single meta strategy/equipment?

Edited by DocBach, 21 April 2013 - 12:31 PM.

[Hedonism Robot]

This community is doing exactly what it should, provide feedback on the balance of weapons for a game in beta. While some of the posts are asking for changes that are ineffective or over the top, many of us want to see a game with more loadout and weapon choices. "Adapt or die" is just a silly thoughtless response. If there was a clear adaptation that opened up more options in the game then that's what people would do. So far the only responses I have seen are "use teamwork and hope the other team doesn't" or "counter-snipe with the same loadout".

[Davers]

I've been crushing poptart Highlanders all weekend. They are slow, run very hot, and some have ridiculously low leg armor. I beat them by managing my heat better, and by closing with them.

The whole "If only we had the broken missile damage back we could defend ourselves from the sniper menace!!" is getting old.