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Was removal of the General Discussion area a good idea?

  1. Yes (42 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  2. No (238 votes [85.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.00%

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#101 Roadbeer

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:


C'mon man. At one point you were engaged. We didn't always agree, but this is just getting sad.

Oh, I'm still engaged, you know as well as I that if the topic is worth it, agree or disagree, I'm happy to discuss it.
This poll does not qualify, and you of all people should be happy that now, intelligent thought on a specific topic will be in it's proper place. Your post about cross-pollination is just being snarky, and you know it.


View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Copying and pasting threads, linking them? How is that good for the health of the game when new players are coming here.

Do you seriously believe that this is place is going to get worse without the cesspool that GD was? We both know that I've become sort of a forum star and people recognize my name in game just by my history of making the fools look foolish.

View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Why are we ignoring the issues that have made a large portion of the forum goers disenfranchised from MW:O?

Nothing is being pushed aside or covered up, only now, if you want to voice your opinion on a topic, you have to take the effort to put it in it's right place or find it in K Town. I don't see how this is bad. OMG, you mean that the mouthbreathers can't just vomit rage all over the forum anymore?

You admonish me for lowering the quality of my conversations, but you endorse the very thing that fuels and encourages that behavior?

Edited by Roadbeer, 23 April 2013 - 03:40 PM.


#102 jakucha

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:


That's painting the issue with a broad stroke. And does not get into the nitty gritty.

The issues stem from things like "No one is working on third person, but I am the only guy working on third person".

And "We will not add Coolant, but we will add a Coolant consumable, it's not the same thing".

And "Machine guns are fine, look at how fast a 6 MG Spider can kill an Atlas".

Or "Sorry we didn't notice SRM's have been doing extra damage for 5 months, but we'll quickly hotfix them, then wait a couple months to fix them".

These are the things that PGI should be looking at and working on fixing. Their message, their interaction with the players, making sure patches have actual content/fixes and not just more ways to make money (while adding in a ton of bugs).

The "General Forum" wasn't the issue.





Essentially you're saying that the devs should work faster and stop making mistakes, which is fine and all but doesn't actually help anyone.

As for coolant, the reason game devs don't make promises is because games are subject to changes when they're still being made as this one is. Coolant consumable isn't nearly as annoying (or useful) as it would have been had they decided to add something like coolant pods.

Edited by jakucha, 23 April 2013 - 03:39 PM.


#103 Nicholas Carlyle

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

View Postjakucha, on 23 April 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:


Essentially you're saying that the devs should work faster and stop making mistakes, which is fine and all but doesn't actually help anyone.

As for coolant, the reason game devs don't make promises is because games are subject to changes when they're still being made as this one is. Coolant consumable isn't nearly as annoying as it would have been had they decided to add something like coolant pods.


You did not read what I said if that's all you took from it.

Yes, I do feel that they should not hot fix items that were supposedly working fine for 5 months, then wait another 2 to fix them.

But the meat and potatoes of my post is...get your message in order (they contradict themselves every 5 seconds, need I mention the "TWITTER/FACEBOOK ANNOUNCEMENT" today?).

They need to make sure that they are fixing/adding things in their patches. It's fine if things break while you are doing that. It's not fine when they break during a patch that only really added a lot more ways for them to try and make money.

The problem isn't necessarily breaking a promise, it's HOW you break the promise.

#104 Mechrophilia

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:45 PM

I think the forum we're in, Polls and Suggestions, is basically the new general forum. They should probably rename is "Polls, Opinions, and Suggestions", however.


.. in fact, I think I'll suggest that. :)

#105 MadcatX

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:45 PM

Although yea, I can't say gd was the most productive place, but there were some valid topics (perhaps invalid threads\posts about them, but the topic itself was worthy of discussions) that don't fit in the 4 sub-category.

For example: discussing knockdown mechanics, if/when they return... is that a... loadout!? mech.

I believe they should have added a "game mechanics" sub-category, to discuss the mechanics and their effect on gameplay. Or something along those lines anyways.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:47 PM

View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:


What is so hard about jettisoning those posts? Most of us wouldn't make a peep if that happened.

I feel like you are stretching to make a point.

I agree those posts are dumb.


The fact that least 3-4 happened every day, I don't blame them.

#107 Nicholas Carlyle

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:48 PM

View PostRoadbeer, on 23 April 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Nothing is being pushed aside or covered up, only now, if you want to voice your opinion on a topic, you have to take the effort to put it in it's right place or find it in K Town. I don't see how this is bad. OMG, you mean that the mouthbreathers can't just vomit rage all over the forum anymore?


See this is where i find an issue. First off, yes things are being pushed aside, covered up is just hyperbole.

I guess everyone you don't agree with is a mouthbreather now?

Am I a mouthbreather because I feel a general forum is important to any game forums. And people should be able to express themselves?

If a post is breaking the rules, that is a mods job to move it.

#108 Victor Morson

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:48 PM

View PostLoler skates, on 23 April 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Your bias is showing through in labeling GD as that.


As someone that was usually first-responder in those posts, I think your bias runs far stronger than mine (which is towards focused discussion).

#109 Nicholas Carlyle

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:49 PM

View PostVictor Morson, on 23 April 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:


The fact that least 3-4 happened every day, I don't blame them.


Make me a mod. I have time at work to move 3-4 posts every day. It's really not that big of a deal. Or add more volunteer mods.

That is not a reason.

#110 Tetatae Squawkins

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:49 PM

I prefer turds all gathered in a pile than spread around the floor.

#111 Victor Morson

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:50 PM

View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

I guess everyone you don't agree with is a mouthbreather now?

Am I a mouthbreather because I feel a general forum is important to any game forums. And people should be able to express themselves?


Now to run it through my new translation software for you all..

View PostNicholas Carlyle (TRANSLATED), on 23 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Now I won't have a soap box to complain about coolant being added to the game, because merely having a sig about it is not enough! I do not understand why the coolant we have is not the coolant they were talking about.

I can't talk about this in a coolant specific thread because you can't grand stand in someone else's thread.

Where will I post my open taunts of a developer?

This is a tragedy!


Translation ended.

Edited by Victor Morson, 23 April 2013 - 03:51 PM.


#112 Roadbeer

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:51 PM

View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:


What is so hard about jettisoning those posts? Most of us wouldn't make a peep if that happened.

I feel like you are stretching to make a point.

I agree those posts are dumb.


Would you rather that PGIGP paid someone to do that, or round up all the articles and tweets to put in a central location? Personally, AGAIN, I see the dissolution of GD as a good thing as it will free paid people to do what they should be doing, and not baby-sitting narcissistic asshats who post inflammatory material just to fish for rep.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:52 PM

This is exactly what is done when you have major obvious problems that you are tired of hearing complaints about....

You radically change your customer response forum in such a manner that it looks like you are providing more "service" while eliminating any viable vehicle of critical response..

Bottom line...this forum is now merely a marketing tool..

Thus...with this change...the mwo "BETA" is now officially over...

What you see is what you get...and PGI is milking it for whatever short term profit they can now.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

View PostVictor Morson, on 23 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:


As someone that was usually first-responder in those posts, I think your bias runs far stronger than mine (which is towards focused discussion).


Are you insinuating I don't engage in rational and well thought out conversation?

One thing is for sure my posts being critical of PGI are of far more substantive worth than posts which complain about other posters as you and many others who share your views do and did.

Does it add to a topic when you call some one a QQ whiner when they explain their thoughts and problems with the current meta game?

Does it add anything to the discussion when people let their feeling be known about SRMS current state when roadbeer loudly decries them as qqers and they should shut up as the SRM fix is coming and current situation is temporary?

Especially as in the weapon balance Command chair post paul doesn't state srms are under review.

#115 Nicholas Carlyle

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

View PostRoadbeer, on 23 April 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:


Would you rather that PGIGP paid someone to do that, or round up all the articles and tweets to put in a central location? Personally, AGAIN, I see the dissolution of GD as a good thing as it will free paid people to do what they should be doing, and not baby-sitting narcissistic asshats who post inflammatory material just to fish for rep.


I think you are confused. "Volunteer" mods move posts and such. And some of the paid moderators do as well. But hey, that's their job. Having a job is good.

No need to hire extra people.

It should be Garth's job to round up information and put it into a place for us to read it. Honestly I'm not really sure what his job is. I don't see him do a lot of constructive things on the forums.

And I don't really care about coolant. I've never even complained about coolant. I really dare you to go find me railing majorly about coolant.

My signature is about the communication between the devs and the players.

Edit: should note the coolant thing wasn't directed at Roadbeer

Edited by Nicholas Carlyle, 23 April 2013 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

View PostTarget Rich, on 23 April 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

This is exactly what is done when you have major obvious problems that you are tired of hearing complaints about....

You radically change your customer response forum in such a manner that it looks like you are providing more "service" while eliminating any viable vehicle of critical response..

Bottom line...this forum is now merely a marketing tool..

Thus...with this change...the mwo "BETA" is now officially over...

What you see is what you get...and PGI is milking it for whatever short term profit they can now.



You're getting pretty heavy on the ellipsis there. From my point of view you're taking this much too seriously.

Edited by jakucha, 23 April 2013 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

But remember, we're only a vocal minority of the- oh wait.

#118 Roadbeer

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

View PostNicholas Carlyle, on 23 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:


See this is where i find an issue. First off, yes things are being pushed aside, covered up is just hyperbole.

I guess everyone you don't agree with is a mouthbreather now?

Am I a mouthbreather because I feel a general forum is important to any game forums. And people should be able to express themselves?


You, no, I've seen you form a coherent argument for or against a topic.

But you can honestly say to me that the 30 "FIX THE BUGS" threads that actually didn't describe a single bug, were productive and deserved a home outside K Town? All the "PGI sucks" threads that were based off of ignorance and a lack of 30 seconds of time it would take to research the gripe... those deserve to be?

You can't be serious

#119 Nicholas Carlyle

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:58 PM

View PostRoadbeer, on 23 April 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:


You, no, I've seen you form a coherent argument for or against a topic.

But you can honestly say to me that the 30 "FIX THE BUGS" threads that actually didn't describe a single bug, were productive and deserved a home outside K Town? All the "PGI sucks" threads that were based off of ignorance and a lack of 30 seconds of time it would take to research the gripe... those deserve to be?

You can't be serious


VOLUNTEER MODS SHOULD TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.

That stuff is NOT a reason to delete the general discussion forum.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

Just use http://mwomercs.com/...-communication/ as a general discussion forum for now I guess.


The only serious problem I see with all the changes to the forum structure is that the game balance forum seems to be locked which prevents players from discussing game balance issues in the correct location.





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