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[Inkarnus]

Using Macros is the way of lazy ppl i dont support lazy non skill solution
if you want dacca dacc how about making 2 chains then chain the chain woooaaah hightech
but that would be work :X

Edited by Inkarnus, 28 April 2013 - 05:42 AM.

[Plavis]

Iacov, on 28 April 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

a macro for "toggling" tag is okay imho
but macro for making ac2s a bulletstorm? no, i vote against that!
if you can't fire 6 weapon groups by hand...then you shouldn't do it via a macro

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[Inconspicuous]

Iacov, on 28 April 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

a macro for "toggling" tag is okay imho
but macro for making ac2s a bulletstorm? no, i vote against that!
if you can't fire 6 weapon groups by hand...then you shouldn't do it via a macro

You can fire them by hand just as fast without a macro...

[Dimento Graven]

AC weapons were designed with a specific DPS rating in mind. Stacking multiple cheap AC's then 'enhancing' their ability by utilizing a macro is extremely unbalancing, considering all the other affects of screen shake and blast flash causing extreme difficulty with the target pilot's visuals.

If you people want this, ****, just make ALL the Crysis engine hacks legal too, and ****, why not just have PGI make all its game code public domain so that we can write any ol' cheat in we want?

[Inconspicuous]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

AC weapons were designed with a specific DPS rating in mind. Stacking multiple cheap AC's then 'enhancing' their ability by utilizing a macro is extremely unbalancing, considering all the other affects of screen shake and blast flash causing extreme difficulty with the target pilot's visuals.

If you people want this, ****, just make ALL the Crysis engine hacks legal too, and ****, why not just have PGI make all its game code public domain so that we can write any ol' cheat in we want?

Relax, it's not a hack, you can easily do it without a macro. So if the devs do not want it in the game they need to change a core game mechanic.

[Straften]

• Everyone has equal access to free macros. http://www.autohotkey.com/
  
• You don't even have to know how to program the macros, people have done that for you on this very forum http://mwomercs.com/...ohotkey-macros/
  
• Everyone who has all of their fingers and a 4-5 button mouse (extremely common these days,) can do this by hand.
  
• Please let this thread die.

Edited by Straften, 28 April 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[Mackman]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

AC weapons were designed with a specific DPS rating in mind. Stacking multiple cheap AC's then 'enhancing' their ability by utilizing a macro is extremely unbalancing, considering all the other affects of screen shake and blast flash causing extreme difficulty with the target pilot's visuals.

If you people want this, ****, just make ALL the Crysis engine hacks legal too, and ****, why not just have PGI make all its game code public domain so that we can write any ol' cheat in we want?

Yes, tell us more about how firing weapons when their cool-downs are up is "increasing their DPS." Tell us more about how optimally using weapons is somehow unfair.

[Dimento Graven]

The weapons have a specific refire rate, the chain mechanism has a specific rate. If you want to utilize a manual process for super fast firing, have at it, however, I really seriously doubt PGI thought about or INTENDED the usage of 3rd party macros to, what was it again? Oh yeah, "optimally use weapons"...

By the same logic, users of Crysis engine aimbots are "optimally using the targeting system".

After all, everyone has:

• Everyone has equal access to crysis engine hacks.
  
• You don't even have to know how to write your own hacks, people have done that for you

And also, if the devs didn't want Crysis engine hacks in the game, "...they need to change a core game mechanic."

Utilizing a MACRO to do it for you is a cheat. Doing it manually, using your own "live action" skill with a keyboard or mouse to do it, fine.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 28 April 2013 - 02:35 PM.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Unless it is macro to shot behind like it was in Half-Life it is ok for me

[Plavis]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

The weapons have a specific refire rate, the chain mechanism has a specific rate. If you want to utilize a manual process for super fast firing, have at it, however, I really seriously doubt PGI thought about or INTENDED the usage of 3rd party macros to, what was it again? Oh yeah, "optimally use weapons"...

By the same logic, users of Crysis engine aimbots are "optimally using the targeting system".

After all, everyone has:

• Everyone has equal access to crysis engine hacks.
  
• You don't even have to know how to write your own hacks, people have done that for you

And also, if the devs didn't want Crysis engine hacks in the game, "...they need to change a core game mechanic."


Utilizing a MACRO to do it for you is a cheat. Doing it manually, using your own "live action" skill with a keyboard or mouse to do it, fine.

Compairing macro to hack, aimbot has no sence.
PGI disigned the AC2 to have a 0.50 refire.
PGI has a stagerfire designe for heat efficency not for rate of fire efficency, ingame chain fire its set to 1.00 AC2 fires at 0.50
Macros are part of evryday life now, deal whit it.

BTW evry one that has a lowering ping than me is cheating.
This is how you think.

[Dimento Graven]

Plavis, on 28 April 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

Compairing macro to hack, aimbot has no sence.
PGI disigned the AC2 to have a 0.50 refire.
PGI has a stagerfire designe for heat efficency not for rate of fire efficency, ingame chain fire its set to 1.00 AC2 fires at 0.50
Macros are part of evryday life now, deal whit it.

BTW evry one that has a lowering ping than me is cheating.
This is how you think.

Yes, there's plenty of sense in compairing this macro to a hack, namely the usage of 3rd party programs and hardware to add a feature not intended for game play.
PGI did design it to have a .5 refire, absolutely, however, if you want to utilize 4 or more AC/2's then you should put each one under its own weapon group and manually fire it.
Actually PGI is still in the process of tuning DPS, what you say about them designing around heat is not true.
Hacks exist every where too, so that makes it ok?

Oh, and your little comment on PING is stupid. What are you a ******* moron? Jesus H Christ, there's nothing anyone can do to make sure and have a faster ping than everyone else. It's all dependant on things that are MOSTLY out of your control, so everyone starts at "zero", then depending on ISP, ISP's equipment, your location, your equipment, what you have installed and running on your PC besides this game, so and so forth ALL affect PING.

Very little is there for you or anyone to manipulate and "one up" everyone else for an unfair advantage.

Unlike using a 3rd party macro program to enhance rate of fire.
Look you lazy piece of trash ****** scum.

I know EXACTLY why you want this macro to be "ok".

Having setup my own 5 AC/2 Jagermech, I found it EXTREMELY difficult to maintain target using a mouse button per weapon group, clicking 5 different buttons all around my mouse caused unexpected mouse movement making it difficult to maintain accuracy AND rate of fire. Likewise when using the keyboard to fire the weapon groups it became difficult to manuever my mech AND switch targets, AND communicate with my team.

A macro makes all that REDICULOUSLY easy, so yeah, I consider it an extreme hack, and it should be bannable to use it.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 28 April 2013 - 03:09 PM.

[Straften]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

The weapons have a specific refire rate, the chain mechanism has a specific rate. If you want to utilize a manual process for super fast firing, have at it, however, I really seriously doubt PGI thought about or INTENDED the usage of 3rd party macros to, what was it again? Oh yeah, "optimally use weapons"...

By the same logic, users of Crysis engine aimbots are "optimally using the targeting system".

After all, everyone has:

• Everyone has equal access to crysis engine hacks.
  
• You don't even have to know how to write your own hacks, people have done that for you

And also, if the devs didn't want Crysis engine hacks in the game, "...they need to change a core game mechanic."





Utilizing a MACRO to do it for you is a cheat. Doing it manually, using your own "live action" skill with a keyboard or mouse to do it, fine.

You are absolutely, extremely, incontestably correct. The JM6-DD was designed to fire AC2s at the same rate as an HBK-4J. Clearly, it was not meant to boat AC2s, any fool can see that. Who would bother with 2 AC20s or 2 Gauss when you can fire AC2s at the same speed? How have we been so blinded? AC2 has been the meta all along, why did anyone bother with PPCs?

Alright everyone. The macros are cheating, but clearly the AC2 is good enough at the slow chain fire rate it was designed for. Using more than one would simply be a waste of tonnage, so here is the plan. Everyone grab 1 AC2, put those newb PewPewCs, AC20's, and Gauss away. Just one AC2, to save weight for all the ammo you will need at these blinding fire speeds. Bind your AC2 to 1. Enjoy the new meta guys! I can't believe I didn't understand how AC2s were meant to work before! What a noob I am. You guys keep an eye on me, I have no idea what I'm doing or where I am. Pffft, stacking AC2's for a machine gun effect was never intended, clearly. The JM6-DD isn't an anti-aircraft mech or anything, why would it ever need to fire ACs that quickly. These hackers MUST GO.

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

PGI did design it to have a .5 refire, absolutely, however, if you want to utilize 4 or more AC/2's then you should put each one under its own weapon group and manually fire it.

Yeah, because people in 3050 won't be capable of linking 6 ACs together for a max speed chain fire, like we can today in 2013, and could in 1939. People in the future will definitely have to hold down 6 buttons to achieve that kind of fire rate. This seems realistic. I approve.

Edited by Straften, 28 April 2013 - 03:12 PM.

[Dimento Graven]

Straften, on 28 April 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

You are absolutely, extremely, incontestably correct. The JM6-DD was designed to fire AC2s at the same rate as an HBK-4J. Clearly, it was not meant to boat AC2s, any fool can see that. Who would bother with 2 AC20s or 2 Gauss when you can fire AC2s at the same speed? How have we been so blinded? AC2 has been the meta all along, why did anyone bother with PPCs?

Alright everyone. The macros are cheating, but clearly the AC2 is good enough at the slow chain fire rate it was designed for. Using more than one would simply be a waste of tonnage, so here is the plan. Everyone grab 1 AC2, put those newb PPCs, AC20's, and Gauss away. Just one AC2, to save weight for all the ammo you will need at these blinding fire speeds. Bind your AC2 to 1. Enjoy the new meta guys! I can't believe I didn't understand how AC2s were meant to work before! What a noob I am. You guys keep an eye on me, I have no idea what I'm doing or where I am. Pffft, staking AC2's for a machine gun effect was never intended, clearly. The JM6-DD isn't an anti-aircraft mech or anything, why would it ever need to fire ACs that quickly. These hackers MUST GO.



Yeah, because people in 3050 won't be capable of linking 6 ACs together for a max speed chain fire, like we can today in 2013, and could in 1939. People in the future will definitely have to hold down 6 buttons to achieve that kind of fire rate. This seems realistic. I approve.

We're having to live with a lot of crap in this game that doesn't make sense... What happened to MAD, rear firing weapons, REAR VIEW CAMERAS for god's sake, yet, as far as PGI is concerned that's their intent.

I'm not talking about not allowing boating. You want to boat 30 AC/2's if you can get 'em to fit and still have a mobile mech, GO FOR IT! You want to use a 3rd party macro to allow you to fire them at 'machine gun rates' (the very term you used should tell you something about what you're actually doing), that should be verbotten.

You want to manually press keys 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or setup in the MWO client 6 different mouse buttons to fire your groups and manually click them, THAT IS GOOD! It does not require 3rd party software or hardware to support that, the moment you enhance your game play by utilizing non-PGI code, that's the definition and essence of a cheating hack.

Sorry you don't like it, but that's the fact.

[Straften]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

We're having to live with a lot of crap in this game that doesn't make sense... What happened to MAD, rear firing weapons, REAR VIEW CAMERAS for god's sake, yet, as far as PGI is concerned that's their intent.

I'm not talking about not allowing boating. You want to boat 30 AC/2's if you can get 'em to fit and still have a mobile mech, GO FOR IT! You want to use a 3rd party macro to allow you to fire them at 'machine gun rates' (the very term you used should tell you something about what you're actually doing), that should be verbotten.

You want to manually press keys 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or setup in the MWO client 6 different mouse buttons to fire your groups and manually click them, THAT IS GOOD! It does not require 3rd party software or hardware to support that, the moment you enhance your game play by utilizing non-PGI code, that's the definition and essence of a cheating hack.

Sorry you don't like it, but that's the fact.

You have listed no facts. PGI has not made any statements about macros being banned. The "fact" is, they should fire that fast without a macro.

[Roadbeer]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

You want to manually press keys 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or setup in the MWO client 6 different mouse buttons to fire your groups and manually click them, THAT IS GOOD! It does not require 3rd party software or hardware to support that, the moment you enhance your game play by utilizing non-PGI code, that's the definition and essence of a cheating hack.

Sorry you don't like it, but that's the fact.

Ummm. that's is an Opinion.
A fact is, the Sun rises in the "East". See the difference?

[Inconspicuous]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

We're having to live with a lot of crap in this game that doesn't make sense... What happened to MAD, rear firing weapons, REAR VIEW CAMERAS for god's sake, yet, as far as PGI is concerned that's their intent.

I'm not talking about not allowing boating. You want to boat 30 AC/2's if you can get 'em to fit and still have a mobile mech, GO FOR IT! You want to use a 3rd party macro to allow you to fire them at 'machine gun rates' (the very term you used should tell you something about what you're actually doing), that should be verbotten.

You want to manually press keys 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or setup in the MWO client 6 different mouse buttons to fire your groups and manually click them, THAT IS GOOD! It does not require 3rd party software or hardware to support that, the moment you enhance your game play by utilizing non-PGI code, that's the definition and essence of a cheating hack.

Sorry you don't like it, but that's the fact.

Perhaps you need to re-read previous posts, you don't need a macro to rapid fire AC2's. You don't need a gaming mouse or good dexterity, just clever weapon groupings and the ability to fan your fingers one time on the keyboard and hold down a mouse button for the duration of the chain firing.

It's not banned in the TOS because the macro duplicates player behavior.

Sorry you don't like it, but that's the fact.

[Dimento Graven]

Here's the facts:
As quoted from PGI rules:

Quote

Q: My mouse/keyboard came with macro software that lets me emulate a series of clicks or helps me with some process. Is this allowed?

A: Yes, using macros as provided by 3rd party hardware vendors is allowed. Though the use of any modifications to assist with aiming, aimbots, wall hacks, or any attempt to give information or tactical assistance that other players would not have by default, is a serious violation of our Terms of Use and any account found to be using such software will likely be suspended or banned.

First, let's look at the limitation on this: "3rd party hardware vendors", so the people using 3rd party scripting SOFTWARE not associated with their specific hardware, they are in the wrong.

Secondly, there "...or tactical assistance that other players would not have by default...", being able to rapid fire multiple AC/2's without having to worry about the normal aiming interference of multiple mouse clicks, or the affect of manually sequentialy clicking multiple buttons on the keyboard seems to be something that "...other players would not have by default..." because not all players have keyboards, or mice capable of supporting macros.

So there you go. Unless you people are willing to pay for macro capable keyboards and mice for the rest of the community so that these would be things that "...other players would have by default...", you're in the wrong.

Period.

That's the fact.

Understand it, live with it, and stop cheating.

[Plavis]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

Yes, there's plenty of sense in compairing this macro to a hack, namely the usage of 3rd party programs and hardware to add a feature not intended for game play.
PGI did design it to have a .5 refire, absolutely, however, if you want to utilize 4 or more AC/2's then you should put each one under its own weapon group and manually fire it.
Actually PGI is still in the process of tuning DPS, what you say about them designing around heat is not true.
Hacks exist every where too, so that makes it ok?

Oh, and your little comment on PING is stupid. What are you a ******* moron? Jesus H Christ, there's nothing anyone can do to make sure and have a faster ping than everyone else. It's all dependant on things that are MOSTLY out of your control, so everyone starts at "zero", then depending on ISP, ISP's equipment, your location, your equipment, what you have installed and running on your PC besides this game, so and so forth ALL affect PING.

Very little is there for you or anyone to manipulate and "one up" everyone else for an unfair advantage.

Unlike using a 3rd party macro program to enhance rate of fire.
Look you lazy piece of trash ****** scum.

I know EXACTLY why you want this macro to be "ok".

Having setup my own 5 AC/2 Jagermech, I found it EXTREMELY difficult to maintain target using a mouse button per weapon group, clicking 5 different buttons all around my mouse caused unexpected mouse movement making it difficult to maintain accuracy AND rate of fire. Likewise when using the keyboard to fire the weapon groups it became difficult to manuever my mech AND switch targets, AND communicate with my team.

A macro makes all that REDICULOUSLY easy, so yeah, I consider it an extreme hack, and it should be bannable to use it.

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[Plavis]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Here's the facts:
As quoted from PGI rules:

First, let's look at the limitation on this: "3rd party hardware vendors", so the people using 3rd party scripting SOFTWARE not associated with their specific hardware, they are in the wrong.

Secondly, there "...or tactical assistance that other players would not have by default...", being able to rapid fire multiple AC/2's without having to worry about the normal aiming interference of multiple mouse clicks, or the affect of manually sequentialy clicking multiple buttons on the keyboard seems to be something that "...other players would not have by default..." because not all players have keyboards, or mice capable of supporting macros.

So there you go. Unless you people are willing to pay for macro capable keyboards and mice for the rest of the community so that these would be things that "...other players would have by default...", you're in the wrong.

Period.

That's the fact.

Understand it, live with it, and stop cheating.

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Here's the facts:
As quoted from PGI rules:

First, let's look at the limitation on this: "3rd party hardware vendors", so the people using 3rd party scripting SOFTWARE not associated with their specific hardware, they are in the wrong.

Secondly, there "...or tactical assistance that other players would not have by default...", being able to rapid fire multiple AC/2's without having to worry about the normal aiming interference of multiple mouse clicks, or the affect of manually sequentialy clicking multiple buttons on the keyboard seems to be something that "...other players would not have by default..." because not all players have keyboards, or mice capable of supporting macros.

So there you go. Unless you people are willing to pay for macro capable keyboards and mice for the rest of the community so that these would be things that "...other players would have by default...", you're in the wrong.

Period.

That's the fact.

Understand it, live with it, and stop cheating.

I see you are a lengendary Founder, so how come you have 150dollars to spend in a game thats is free open beta and not have 60 dollars to spend on a gaming mouse? but instead come and complain in here.

Edited by Plavis, 28 April 2013 - 03:47 PM.

[Straften]

Dimento Graven, on 28 April 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Here's the facts:
As quoted from PGI rules:

Quote

Q: My mouse/keyboard came with macro software that lets me emulate a series of clicks or helps me with some process. Is this allowed?

A: Yes, using macros as provided by 3rd party hardware vendors is allowed. Though the use of any modifications to assist with aiming, aimbots, wall hacks, or any attempt to give information or tactical assistance that other players would not have by default, is a serious violation of our Terms of Use and any account found to be using such software will likely be suspended or banned.

First, let's look at the limitation on this: "3rd party hardware vendors", so the people using 3rd party scripting SOFTWARE not associated with their specific hardware, they are in the wrong.

Secondly, there "...or tactical assistance that other players would not have by default...", being able to rapid fire multiple AC/2's without having to worry about the normal aiming interference of multiple mouse clicks, or the affect of manually sequentialy clicking multiple buttons on the keyboard seems to be something that "...other players would not have by default..." because not all players have keyboards, or mice capable of supporting macros.

So there you go. Unless you people are willing to pay for macro capable keyboards and mice for the rest of the community so that these would be things that "...other players would have by default...", you're in the wrong.

Period.

That's the fact.

Understand it, live with it, and stop cheating.

Your interpretation of that answer is so off, it's no wonder you are still posting here. The quote you posted proves you wrong.

Edited by Straften, 28 April 2013 - 03:50 PM.