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[blinkin]

Yokaiko, on 26 April 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

One shot after two or three kills and 500 damage maybe.

i love these cops and robbers style matches that happen on the forums. they are very entertaining.

[Keifomofutu]

Yokaiko, on 26 April 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

One shot after two or three kills and 500 damage maybe.

So let me get this straight. In the other thread you said a 150km/h raven is super easy to hit. In this one your fat upper torso is somehow going to dodge all that **** until you get to 270 meters? I'm really sensing a bit of dishonesty in your posting in general.

[AnubiteGroove]

It is, the rear armor is just too little for it's roll. Especially the Hunchback, where it's max speed is like 84kph.

Although, I do have great luck with a speed-tweaked Yen-Lo-Wang.

Can someone please tell me a good Cent-9D build with an XL390? I can't build anything half-good with more than a 330. Ballistics weight too much.

Edited by AnubiteGroove, 26 April 2013 - 01:06 PM.

[Victor Morson]

The Mediums role over a heavy/assault is pretty much being cheaper. PGI didn't want to embrace that and tried to make them have some useful role, when really, their task is niche at best outside of the 40 ton range (acting as a bigger light).

But since people can take unlimited assaults/heavies in a match up with no BV matching, that's generally what's found out there.

[CGB Behemoth]

Some of medium mechs are really useless at the moment. It is a matter of weapon balance.TBT-5J with 2xERPPC - really good.Hunch-4P with 2xPPC + 5xML - awesome. Any rocket based medium (CN-9A) - useless, as others rocket mechs. Need to wait for final balancing.

[Straften]

AnubiteGroove, on 26 April 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

It is, the rear armor is just too little for it's roll. Especially the Hunchback, where it's max speed is like 84kph.

Interesting. My game must be glitched, my 4SP does 92.

[blinkin]

Straften, on 26 April 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Interesting. My game must be glitched, my 4SP does 92.

didn't you know it is considered impolite to fact check when responding to posts on forums?

[Victor Morson]

Behemothk, on 26 April 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

Some of medium mechs are really useless at the moment. It is a matter of weapon balance.TBT-5J with 2xERPPC - really good.Hunch-4P with 2xPPC + 5xML - awesome. Any rocket based medium (CN-9A) - useless, as others rocket mechs. Need to wait for final balancing.

SRMs were the medium 'mech bread & butter before, and they've been robbed of it.

[Keifomofutu]

Just a little ingame story. Just ran into a cataphract with 5 large lasers and a speed of 86km/h. Seriously if the competition is something that fast with that much firepower or an ecm light with the ability to completely sever all teamwork on your team then why bother with centurion's fat ***? I've just given up on the class.

Lots of people bring up the cicada as a defense but it really is simply a 40 ton jenner. When are our brawling mediums coming back?

Another balance pass on SRMs will help.

[Straften]

blinkin, on 26 April 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

didn't you know it is considered impolite to fact check when responding to posts on forums?

You're right, imagination is a beautiful thing. I'm sorry. T~T

[Straften]

Keifomofutu, on 26 April 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Lots of people bring up the cicada as a defense but it really is simply a 40 ton jenner. When are our brawling mediums coming back?

A 40 ton Jenner with ECM...

[ivr56]

Trebuchet-7M.
I can get 500-600dmg games pulling hit and run tactics.

My 4G roughly the same.
I find mediums fine and I've been running them exclusively for a month.

Edited by ivr56, 26 April 2013 - 05:09 PM.

[blinkin]

Straften, on 26 April 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

A 40 ton Jenner with ECM...

LIES!! IT HAS NO JUMP JETS!

[Straften]

blinkin, on 26 April 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

LIES!! IT HAS NO JUMP JETS!

Das racis.

Wait...

[Keifomofutu]

Thontor, on 26 April 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Just a little ingame story. Just ran into a cataphract on Alpine who had 2 PPCs and a Gauss Rifle... I got up into his face with my 3 Artemis SRM6s and 2 Medium Lasers, and we dueled with no assistance from either his teammates or mine, and I came out beat up, but victorious.

Long live the Mediums!

So you beat a sniper who had a single gauss rifle at point blank range? Colour me SO impressed. Seriously do you listen to yourself?

Do you have a particular reason you want the class to wallow in mediocrity? If people could avoid taking mediums in 8-mans believe me they would. And if not then they probably bring cicadas. Which again is a 40-ton jenner. Kinda how I haven't brought up dragons as an actual heavy.

Edited by Keifomofutu, 26 April 2013 - 05:53 PM.

[Tesunie]

I'll just let my states speak for themselves.

Sure, my Stalker 3F may have more kills, but I think that's expected for an Assault. But I feel I've done well enough for my mediums. They are still very viable, in their own way. Now if only assists where counted into these stats. I feel you'd see a much different and important changed between my weight classes of my mechs. Mediums would probably have a ton of assists, where as my assaults and heavies have more kills. That is the true role of the medium mech, assisting other mechs.

EDIT
The break down:
Dragon 1N = LBXAC10, ERPPC, 2 LRM5s= 250 damage average per match
Hunchback 4SP= 5 med lasers, 2 LRM5s = 238 damage average
Centurion AL= PPC 2 SRM4s = 318 damage average (5 matches) <before missile hotfix
Cicada 2A= 6 med lasers = 281 damage average (6 matches)
Cicada "Hollander 2" 3C= 98 KPH Guass, med laser = 115 damage average (6 matches)
Stalker 3F= 6 med lasers, 4 LRm5s = 345 damage average (9 matches)
Jagermech S= 2 AC20s = 239 damage average

I have marked those with too few real matches to give a decent rating, but I have 2 heavies and a medium that has a good pool of data to reference too.
Stalker just goes to show you that damage isn't everything, and/or that I'm probably best with a Stalker.
Centurion shows that a medium can be a viable threat. My Hunchback shows that they can be fairly deadly even with a build most people say is "junk" (I've heard that before on my hunchback build).

Does any of this mark me as a great pilot? I don't think so, but it gives some numbers to crunch on if mediums really are outclassed by other weight classes. I'd have to say... no.

Edited by Tesunie, 26 April 2013 - 06:38 PM.

[Tesunie]

And if people want a series of back to back end score boards with a Hunchback 4SP...
http://i92.photobuck...n3Hunchback.jpg
http://i92.photobuck...n2Hunchback.jpg
http://i92.photobuck...n1Hunchback.jpg

Not loading them as pictures, as I don't want to needlessly overload the thread page with tons of unneeded pictures. These where taken in succession. I took the screen even if I did well or not.

[Tesunie]

Keifomofutu, on 26 April 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

So you beat a sniper who had a single gauss rifle at point blank range? Colour me SO impressed. Seriously do you listen to yourself?

Do you have a particular reason you want the class to wallow in mediocrity? If people could avoid taking mediums in 8-mans believe me they would. And if not then they probably bring cicadas. Which again is a 40-ton jenner. Kinda how I haven't brought up dragons as an actual heavy.

Hum... I'd have to side with Thontor on this one. Medium mechs are not mediocre. You just can't plow into the enemy line and expect to live longer than 2 seconds. You have to play them a little more carefully. Hang out near an assault or heavy. People tend to ignore you to shot at them, letting you deal some good support damage. You need to know when to run, and how to move around safely. Just because they don't hit as hard as a heavy, or move as fast as a light does not mean they aren't viable. Heck, a medium doesn't even need to go fast to be viable. You just have to know how to treat them right.

[Pihb]

They could do something about the mech sizes. Other than that, I have no complaint.

[Teralitha]

Remove double heat sinks problem solved.