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[TruePoindexter]

Soy, on 13 May 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

I like the part where you have to play the game in order to win.

It's a novel concept.

[Kiiyor]

Soy, on 13 May 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

I like the part where you have to play the game in order to win.

TruePoindexter, on 13 May 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

It's a novel concept.

Unless you're one of the seeming plethora of new players AFK farming the cadet bonus.

[TruePoindexter]

Kiiyor, on 13 May 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Unless you're one of the seeming plethora of new players AFK farming the cadet bonus.

That seems incredibly counter productive.

[Dartangan]

Anyone who doubts there's sync dropping among the top pilots during these tournaments need only go to the public teamspeak and notice the rooms full of people with their names on the leaderboards doing just that. There are assuredly teams doing as much in their private channels. And though I don't agree with it, if you don't and the competition does... Kinda sucks that you have to shun your friends and go all lone wolf to participate in any type-of metagame. Anyhow, the statement that this isn't happening is simply false.
Here's an idea: How about a tournament that involves teams? I believe this is still a PvP competitive team game...

Edited by Dartangan, 14 May 2013 - 02:00 AM.

[Hauser]

@Dartangan,

since you've seen the people there, did you by any chance join their channel? Did you hear them sync their drops? I don't think so because if you had actually been listening you might have heard something like this:

http://mwomercs.com/...16#entry2322816

Edited by Hauser, 14 May 2013 - 10:16 AM.

[John Winters]

Why is Comstar using clan terms. Strange Quiaff?

[Der Hesse]

Still not Monday?

[Caleb Brightmore]

6 of this faction 6 of that faction 6 of the next. 6 out of 8 a LOT.
Nope no sync-dropping. Not in MWO lol

[Xyre]

Mason Grimm, on 13 May 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

NOTE: For you spelling and grammar hounds; I'm at the station and the laptop here is tiny and old. Trying to bang this out quickly so forgive any errors ahead of time. The PMs telling me how to spell words are appreciated (/sarcasm)

This is why it takes a LONG time grinding; as I said before (and I'll make an addition) the Tournament isn't based solely on skill, there are other factors involved. It depends as much on who your PUG-mates are almost as much as it does your skills as a pilot. Just because someone is in your ELO bracket doesn't mean they are the killah bestest of the bestest. What if they are a good pilot but having a bad day? This would affect their game play. What if they are a bad pilot who has had good team mates carry them because they rarely PUG drop? That would elevate their ELO bracket.

There are far too many variables to list them all here but some are....

Skills as a pilot (move, shoot, dodge, situational awareness, heat management etc)
Time available to grind the perfect match (because of all the factors required to achieve it)
Luck of the draw in getting good friendly PUG team
Luck of the draw in getting bad enemy PUG team
Luck of the draw on the map type (your best map versus your worst)

Many of these guys spent 3-5 (or more) hours a day grinding to get the perfect recipe for their drop and their tactic style. The tactic style I mentioned in my previous post (after having observed K-sombody using it live) is probably the most optimal and efficient way of using that 3-5 (or more) hours per day.

Sooner or later you are going to strike oil right?

He just used the most optimal way of getting there consistantly.

This was my first tournament to do and while it was fun there were some things that immediately came to mind on how to manipulate the system for the best results. The biggest one of these would be trying to put yourself against new or worse players. Intentionally losing and keeping your Elo as low as possible, then changing/decking out your mech and taking a few 200+ point games was the easiest way I could see people taking advantage of how the tournament works. Many of the high ranked players I played against numerous times, moment killer, kaffeangst, p00k, Whispsy, and others come to mind. However, there were others I never saw...in fact the only time their points moved was if their current placement was in jeopardy, I could only draw one conclusion from that and its that they were avoiding competing as much as possible...which, unfortunately, points to Elo and placement manipulation.

If players are tanking their Elo in order to win then that would be a problem, I can only hope people aren't. The people who do well in tournaments should never be people who were only playing against new players in trial mechs, but rather the ones that were getting the best scores against the best players. I can only hope that PGI looks at top ten players to see if they were manipulating the system in that way...If you are playing top tier players you cant just randomly and magically pull a 200+ game out of your bum when you see your placement is in jeopardy. It is actually really difficult...It is difficult because you not only have to pilot extremely well and make your shots, but you also have to get really lucky on the map/friendly team make up/enemy team make up/etc that you mentioned.

Besides that concern, I had fun competing and enjoyed myself, congrats to everyone who did well and I hope to see you in game!

[bloodnor]

does this mean that i might be higher than 37th if dishonorable players that are higher than me are bumped off for cheating this weekend i would automaticly move up yes?. even if not im happy with 37

[MrPils]

Glad I didn't bother with this one. Every game I was in Sunday afternoon and Monday evening had synch droppers all chatting away with each other bold as brass (though Saturday morning in contrast gave some awesome gameplay - just goes to show trolls do sleep sometime). I particularly love the trash talking in prematch when they all end up on the same team.

[Nick Drezary]

Xyre, on 27 May 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

in fact the only time their points moved was if their current placement was in jeopardy

I see my position safe: I drink cola watch TV and scratch my... nose
I see somepony close to/bested my score: OMP FARM CRUSH KILL DESTROY SWAGHRGXDNTYYDN... until profit.
After profit: TV, cola, *scratch scratch*

[Xyre]

bloodnor, on 27 May 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

does this mean that i might be higher than 37th if dishonorable players that are higher than me are bumped off for cheating this weekend i would automaticly move up yes?. even if not im happy with 37

Hmmm...the only way I would see you making some significant movement is if PGI actually penalized poptarting. They have stated that using jumpjets for shots is taking advantage of the system in place(exploiting), which could be considered a dishonorable or abusive way to win...I do not see them doing that though because it would probably eliminate most of the top players.

[Soy]

Not an exploit bro.

[Homeless Bill]

Did I miss the part where they release the findings of their investigation? Or was that just a lie?

[Soy]

One dude from a well-known clan got busted literally a month ago. In a diff tourny. It wasn't announced. Said player was just removed from leaderboard.

I didn't play this tourny so I dunno about any recent BS tho.

[Xyre]

Soy, on 29 May 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

Not an exploit bro.

I would have to dig it up but the topic of whether its exploiting or not was answered by a moderator...they made it pretty clear that using jumpjets(as a gun platform) was against the developers intended purpose for them...the devs have said as much as well.

Here is the wiki definition of a game exploit:
An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1]

The use of jumpjets(jumping or gaining elevation) to the players advantage(to avoid being hit and become a flying gun platform) that has been made clear, by the devs, to be against their design purpose and will soon be nerfed, fits completing into that definition...if that is not convincing enough then we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Either way I do not see them removing anyone from the tournament for using it, its far too prominent and would probably disqualify any person who used a mech with jumpjets...which would be nearly everyone. At rank 37 though that would be the only case I could think of that would allow him to gain any significant rank, assuming of course he didnt poptart either.

Edited by Xyre, 29 May 2013 - 04:39 PM.

[Soy]

Being able to shoot your weapons while jumping is intended. That's not an exploit.

It's a balance issue.

I am semantics warrior Soy.

[Skunk Wolf]

Cheaters going to cheat. If the system can be gamed it will be gamed.

I can't believe that they thought that the risk of losing all the time invested was worth it.

[FERAL TIGER]

whoah... the effort some people put into a game, where success gives you intangible points and awards is... astounding.