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[Vapor Trail]

The AC/5 Macro doesn't prevent jamming at max fire rate. It prevents you from achieving max fire rate. It basically replaces the "I want to shoot at normal rate / I want to shoot at double rate" toggle switch that should exist. Firing at double rate isn't a "skill." It's a decision. The toggle should exist, it doesn't.

The AC/2 macro doesn't allow the AC/2 to fire faster than it's designed firing speed. So you can group fire one or two groups of AC/2s as fast (and put more damage on an intended target) as you can a single AC/2.

The only reason to use the AC/2 Macro is "because it sounds cool/scary as hell." But it has the downside of scattering damage all over the target.

It offers no significant advantage.

In my AC/2 Jager (4 barrel) I fire alternating pairs. Sounds pretty dang dakka... and halves the scatter compared to a 4 barrel firing a single shot at a time. No macro needed.

[PocketAces]

Are you the same guy complaining about lights ruining the game? Oops sorry different guy.

[Chrithu]

Tesfurdo, on 05 May 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

If a human being can't fire it that fast ...

Well since I did not get my macro to work I do it manually actually. It is possible just put each of the guns in it's own group and use your piano fingers once on the 1 through 5 keys, then hold them for autorepeat. Voila. Fastfiring gatling AC/2 without a macro.

And as the guy you quoted said: Other than the nice sound effect you do not gain anything from it. That build isn't effective nor do you get anymore DPS out of the guns by a macro. On top of it a jagermech that put in 6 AC/2s has literally paper for armor. Just go ahead and send a few PPCs his way and the terror will stop.

[S1lent0ne]

I feel I may be somewhat responsible for this. I have a Logitech G-13 and a day or two after the Jäger came out I built a 4xAC2 and made a macro that fired them in succession as fast as they could cooldown because the built in chain fire was taking much longer than it should to move to the next weapon.

It took a lot of people by surprise to feel the actual fire rate of 4 chained AC2's. It never really did that much damage but the psychological effect was immediate and undeniable.

I stopped using it because the effect wore off and the damage just wasn't that good.

However, calling it a cheat is just silly. The functionality of the weapon is there. The tech gap could be easily closed if PGI would just change the chain fire mode.

IMO the chain fire mode should be timed that weapons in a group fire in a steady manner. For the one time where I wrote a macro to fire my AC2's at the proper rate I have written other macros that slowed the rate down. I did that to avoid the "Fire, Fire, Fire, Fire, Pauuuuuuse" in favor of a continuous "Fire, pause, Fire, pause, Fire, pause, Fire, pause".

[Mycrus]

I have a lot of peripherals that can make this macro.

But I don't because it's not how I roll.

Multi ac2 jagers are slow - run parallel to it and kill it

You can duplicate the macro organically by setting multiple groups to chain fire and solid fire the same guns.

It just sounds scary and good at keeping poptards at bay but is in no way OP.

[Rippthrough]

No they're not, walk towards him and shoot him. He'll run out of armour before you do, whilst he scatters shots all over you.

[PurpleNinja]

ove bababoke, on 05 May 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

- it`s 6(!) AC2.
Anyway, macro is a semicheat.

6 AC2?
I can only picture a low engine rating to compensate all the ammo needed, so this guy must be a turret.
Just let him be a happy AC turret.
It should be fun on Tourmaline.

[Tesfurdo]

silentD11, on 06 May 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

You don't even know how wrong you are here. Many people, myself included use record macros. AKA we had to manually input it on our own and let the computer record it. So we had to be able to do it on our own. All the macro is doing is replaying our own movements over and over. So we had to physically do it in the first place. What you're claiming.... either means you don't know what a macro is and how this works, or you're just lying out your *** to prove a point. Pick one.

All the macro does is enable people who didn't shell out 80 bucks on a mouse or 130 bucks on a mechanical keyboard on even ground. Because it's laughably easy to physically fire them that fast with good input devices. With crap ones not so much. You could say the macro fixes pay2win against those of us with more disposable income.

I know there are some macro apps out there which you actually have to record the sequence (with timings) but the effect is the same... your playing a recorded loop of sequences or a pre-typed set of keys regardless of the original 1 time input method.

The point is... while your not having to use one of your hands to do this effectively without a macro, your giving yourself a spare hand to enable yourself to pilot/ aim better. Because having to fire your weapons without a macro would be too much of a bind to be able to concentrate. If thats not the case then your clearly not paying enough attention to all aspects of the game.

If you say that while you chain fire manually in this way, no other aspects of your game suffer, you are the one who's lying.

For reference I have a £10 logitec keyboard and a microsoft office basics mouse.

Rippthrough, on 06 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Anyone can fire it that quickly, no macro, no fancy weapons groups, it's called group fire.

And anyone who is worried about a 6 x AC2 jaggermech on the battlefield is a moron.
Anyone who is worried about a chain firing, macro trolling 6 x AC2 jaggermech who's spreading damage all over is a complete moron.

I'm not "worried" about the dakka jager... I just think macros are cheating. What next? A piece of software that fires when your cross hairs turn red? Automatic coolant flush? Auto UAC unblock? Regardless, your just using software to negate a basic of the game.

Edited by Tesfurdo, 07 May 2013 - 09:00 AM.

[Tesfurdo]

Jason Parker, on 07 May 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

Well since I did not get my macro to work I do it manually actually. It is possible just put each of the guns in it's own group and use your piano fingers once on the 1 through 5 keys, then hold them for autorepeat. Voila. Fastfiring gatling AC/2 without a macro.

And as the guy you quoted said: Other than the nice sound effect you do not gain anything from it. That build isn't effective nor do you get anymore DPS out of the guns by a macro. On top of it a jagermech that put in 6 AC/2s has literally paper for armor. Just go ahead and send a few PPCs his way and the terror will stop.

So if your piano hand wasn't firing your guns... you'd be turning/ dodging.... or shifting speed... or flushing coolant... or dropping an arty strike etc.

The point isn't that you can't per se fire that fast full stop... you can't fire that fast whilst using that hand for anything other than that one task... which just proves the point that macros free up a hand...

Edited by Tesfurdo, 07 May 2013 - 09:00 AM.

[Doomstryke]

In case he wasn't clear how you do it and why PGI said its not cheating is because you set your 4-6 ac2 all on button 1
then set ac1 to 2 ac 2 to 3 and so on. All you need to do in one wrap on the keyboard then hold down mouse button 1 for perfect ac 2 fire as long as you hold it down.

And yah its fun if you get a team and all go ac2. I ran with 3 other guys running 4-5 ac2's and it just destroyed and it was fun as hell. By yourself its junk

ultra 5's is dif story though that def is a cheat but since pgi said it wasn't people will use it *shrug* hopefully it gets fixed properly

[Panzerman03]

The rules are what PGI says they are. If they tolerate macros that just simulate button presses (and they do) then it's not cheating. All the false equivalency arguments here are a waste of bandwidth.

But if you'd like to keep crying about how OP DAKKABOAT jagers are, by all means continue. It's hilarious.

[Agent KI7KO]

Fun fact: Macro Jagers actually fire less rounds per second than a Jager just holding down the Alphastrike button.


If they have any advantage at all, it's that they generate slightly less heat by virtue of firing 1-3% slower.

Edited by Afoxi, 07 May 2013 - 09:53 AM.

[RainbowToh]

WRONG! USING 6 MG WITHOUT MACRO IS EVIL! YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO LET GO OF THE MOUSE BUTTON! THE CONSTANT SPARKLING ON THE COCKPIT AND THE INCESSANT NOISE IS EVIL!

[TruePoindexter]

Roland, on 05 May 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

It's almost 60% as effective as simply alpha striking with all of the AC2's.

*nods* Lots of sound and fury - not a lot of kill things.

[Vodrin Thales]

Jade Kitsune, on 06 May 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

So let me get this straight.

The general school of thought here is that. It is ok to utilize a 3rd party program to overcome your own shortcomings and to subvert the built-in limitations to a feature of the game.

But it's not hacking/cheating.

So as long as I only do something that subverts the built in limitations a "little" bit it's ok.

Basically what you guy's are saying is "it's ok to cheat the system a little, but not alot." Macro's are an external function that is not intended for gameplay. It's cheating the system, just as much as someone rigging a slot machine or using a turbo controller at a fighting game event.

Incorrect. We are saying it's ok to do as long as it does not confer a competitive advantage. AC2 macro does not confer an advantage over simply holding the group fire button down.

[Rippthrough]

Tesfurdo, on 07 May 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

What next? A piece of software that fires when your cross hairs turn red? Automatic coolant flush? Auto UAC unblock? Regardless, your just using software to negate a basic of the game.

None of which are macros. Whoosh.

[silentD11]

Tesfurdo, on 07 May 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

I know there are some macro apps out there which you actually have to record the sequence (with timings) but the effect is the same... your playing a recorded loop of sequences or a pre-typed set of keys regardless of the original 1 time input method.

The point is... while your not having to use one of your hands to do this effectively without a macro, your giving yourself a spare hand to enable yourself to pilot/ aim better. Because having to fire your weapons without a macro would be too much of a bind to be able to concentrate. If thats not the case then your clearly not paying enough attention to all aspects of the game.

If you say that while you chain fire manually in this way, no other aspects of your game suffer, you are the one who's lying.

For reference I have a £10 logitec keyboard and a microsoft office basics mouse.




I'm not "worried" about the dakka jager... I just think macros are cheating. What next? A piece of software that fires when your cross hairs turn red? Automatic coolant flush? Auto UAC unblock? Regardless, your just using software to negate a basic of the game.

Again, you're VERY wrong. Google razer naga or logitech G600, they have enough buttons you can do it off your mouse hand with your thumb and one other finger. The other reserved for back up weapons and the mouse while for standard linked fire with them. You don't need to give up a hand at all.

The macro just let's people who don't have a mouse with that many buttons do it as well. It's easily doable on it's own without giving up a hand, provided you spend the cash.

Edited by silentD11, 07 May 2013 - 06:08 PM.