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#101 Catamount

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:20 AM

View PostLord Letto, on 04 June 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Hmm, tempted to get the Mobo this week or weekend if I could, Mobo on sale now, $5 instant rebate for the weekly sale, so would be $80+ Tax, not $85 like normal

Edit: gigabyte ga-970a-d3 is the cheapest of the AM3+ Socket SATA 3 6GB/s Mobos for the week, $15 Instant rebate till the 10th and the $10 MIR till the end of the month makes it $70+Tax, $10 lower then the MSI, though the MSI Supports SLI, while the Gigabyte only supports Crossfire, not SLI.


You know, trying to get an SLI-capable motherboard will cost you. Even thinking about Multi-GPU setups brings up a whole slew of considerations, many with as-yet unresolved uncertainties, that will horribly complicate your build. I'm not saying don't give it thought, but be prepared for those considerations.

As of right now, dual-GPU setups are not worth your time because neither Nvidia nor AMD has solved dual-GPU microstutter, so your tangible performance gains will be small, at best, even if benchmarks report large framerate increases (hence why some review sites like Tom's are transitioning away from FPS as a performance measurement). That means that the best thing to do is stick with the best single card you can afford. OTOH, AMD and Nvidia are working on solving this issue, and I'm told they're both pretty close, which might make a setup of two budget cards worthwhile, but then you're left with the fact that AMD has been far better at the budget end than Nvidia for several generations. Even now. Nvidia's offerings aren't really very good below the GTX660 TI, value-wise, and that's not even considering the game bundles AMD is throwing out there with their cards.

As I said, dual-GPU setups create a lot of new considerations, and you're paying a lot to get a mobo that will allow you to use a dual GPU setup, of which the utility remains wholly questionable until that damned MS problem is fixed. Since there's no ETA on that being fixed, and the attempted fixes may well not remedy the problem, I'd suggest just sticking to a single-GPU system, especially given your budget. If you want to upgrade, just sell your old card and pick up a newer one. Focusing on motherboards with just one PCIE x16 slot would probably save you 20-30 bucks, money you could put into getting a more powerful GPU in the here and now.

Edited by Catamount, 04 June 2013 - 10:24 AM.


#102 Narcissistic Martyr

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostCatamount, on 04 June 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:


Focusing on motherboards with just one PCIE x16 slot would probably save you 20-30 bucks, money you could put into getting a more powerful GPU in the here and now.


This.

Plus, if you're going to spend the money on a second GPU you can probably afford to update the motherboard at that time anyways or even sell your current system and build a new one from scratch.

#103 Lord Letto

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:17 PM

alright, that Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 Sounds good then, I should be able to go and sell some games tomorrow and hopefully have enough to go pick it up to store it till the build.

Edited by Lord Letto, 04 June 2013 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 11:13 AM

Alright, Back with this again, I now have the money for the build ($350 something in Bank Account, $100 in Wallet = Around $450 for Case+Hardware+OS). Never picked up the Mobo Yet, Instead of the Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 I was Planning on the ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 due to $8 Cheaper and ASUS is still a Good Brand name. the GTX 560TI is still Listed on Kijiji but the P180 Case isn't, however, there are 2 listed there for $30 that may be interesting, there is a Sunbeam Samurai: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ503314928 and a Thermomaster TC101: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ501706266 (My Understanding from the web is that Thermomaster = Coolermaster). The FX-4100 and CM 212 EVO is still available, i'm not sure about the OCZ 700W PSU, 8 GB Kingston HyperX 1.6GHz Ram or Seagate 500GB HDD. a New Copy of Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit would be $105 although there is a Copy on Kijiji for $90

Edited by Lord Letto, 15 July 2013 - 11:14 AM.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:14 PM

I say go for the ASUS, it's got 4+2 phase power instead of 4+1 on the D3. This means it should overclock better.

As for the case, it shouldn't matter as long as it's big enough to fit your motherboard so pick whichever one is prettier.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:18 PM

The ASUS it is then. As for The Case, I got a reply back From the "Sunbeam Samuri" Looks like a NZXT Guardian. Still Available, Few Years old in Excellent Condition, Side Window, Front Door and Thumb Screws for the Side Panels. Pics I was sent of it:
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#107 Lord Letto

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:30 PM

Hmm, Just done some reading here in another thread...AMD A10-6800K or FX-4100? reading about the A10-680K Here Made me think good performance for possibly a bit less. A10-6800K and use integrated Graphics (AMD Radeon HD 8670D) for MWO would be a bit cheaper then a FX-4100 With EVGA GTX 560 Ti 2GB (AMD A10-6800K Black Edition for $157.99 At Canada Computers, Probably close to $180 after taxes and whatnot compared to FX-4100 (With CM 212 Evo and Ceramic Thermal Paste)+ EVGA GTX 560Ti 2GB That would Come to $210) As For Mobo, a ASUS or Gigabyte Mobo with 6GB/s (SATA 3) would be in the $80-100+ Range for FM2 While AM3+ Would be $90-$100+ Range.


Also just looking at Mobos on Kijiji and I found this:

Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Motherboard $90:

http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ486276195

Edited by Lord Letto, 15 July 2013 - 08:32 PM.


#108 Dragoon20005

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:30 PM

unless you are able to physically look at the mobo

avoid getting refurbished mobos even if the prices are cheap

mobos is the major component of any system and so many components are connect to it.

and if it fails, it is another costly replacement in terms of money and time

http://www.newegg.co...VirtualParent=1

newegg do have it for 138 bucks

if you want review of the A10-6800K look for the thread below which is started by me for a fellow mechwarrior bloodshed romance who is running the A10-6800K build with MWO.

http://mwomercs.com/...and-test-drive/

IMO the upgrade path for APU might still be limited due to the graphics drivers not supporting the HD7xxx series GPU for Hybrid X-Fire

but when this game moves to DX11 and support for SLi and X-Fire, the HD7xxx series will have no problems giving average above 30fps on high

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 04:44 AM

Im just gonna go ahead and say that absolutely without a doubt that fx4100 and gtx560 will do more, as far as day to day usage and gaming. All before you decide to set the fx4100 OC to 4.4-4.6 ghz on said CM212+(Air cooled :D ). not to mention the fact that one day you could Change CPU(4100 to 8350) and still have headroom for gtx770 780 or titan(with Xtra large PSU of course) to go above and beyond 1080P on the same MOBO (literally most games don't use all threads, yet) by than you could run SSDs, liquid cooling 1440P monitor in 3D. Only thing I know for sure is I want future proof-ability. Ease of upgradeability is good. **edit** call me stubborn but I didn't want to go SLI when I built my rig, had I know that 760s in SLI were gonna be so b@d*** I would have gotten a 990 setup in a heartbeat, and changed my single massive GPU ideals. damn you GTX760s.

Edited by Smokeyjedi, 16 July 2013 - 04:49 AM.


#110 Lord Letto

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:01 AM

@Dragoon20005, That's the Thread I saw that got me thinking About the A10-6800K. but after Thinking about it, I may be better off getting AM3+ and getting the FX-4100 With EVGA GTX 560 Ti 2Gb, sure the A10-6800K got more Stock Clock Speed and Integrated GPU But the FX-4100 Could possibly be OCed to 4.1-4.4GHz+ to be on Par, if not better then the A10 for Clock Speed Plus the EVGA GTX 560 Ti 2Gb Would likely kick the *** of the Integrated Graphics of it.

Sidenote: Price of EVGA GTX 560 Ti 2GB would be $120, Not $150 so FX-4100 + 560Ti Would be $180, Roughly on Par to the Price of A10-5800K Plus i would get a CM 212 Evo and ceramic Paste Plus Mobo would only be like $10 or so More then if I were to get a FM2 for the A10.
I Found a Old HDD I had for a couple years not being used, Maxtor MaXline 2 320Gb 5400RPM, Picked it up a few years ago Refurbished at FactoryDirect.ca for Roughly $50 IIRC, $40+$5 Shipping on Newegg.ca:
http://www.newegg.ca...N82E16822144544

I Also have a Working Xtreme Gear Wired USB Keyboard and Working Logitech Wired USB Mouse that I saved from the E-waste Bin at The Canadian Tire Near Me.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

LL,

The 6800k's FM2 socket is dead which means no more upgrades. AM3+ is getting steamroller this fall but even if it didn't an fx8350 is way way way more powerful than the 6800k. Plus the GTX560 will kick the 6800k's iGPU's butt.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:27 PM

well it true that the FX route is much more better if you intend to do some major upgrades

but quote from Sir Roland MXIII
"Fact is APU aren't meant to win the PC rivalry with Intel, they're meant to allow AMD to transcend it - and they have done so. Look at the current gen' of consoles coming out Soon ™ - both use APUs. Look at the phone market - APUs are in a steep ascent in usage for phones and Intel is in a dive. Same holds true for tablets.

So yeah, don't think of APUs and their applications to PCs because that's not what they were meant to do. No, they allow AMD to look Intel in the eye and say, our rivalry no longer concerns us, we have bigger fish to fry, and have done so. Meanwhile Intel is left out in the cold PC market wondering WTF just happened - while they'll keep the firm grasp on PCs that they've had for some time, their share of the non-PC markets is now in serious trouble - and they're new offerings here are being laughed at in trade shows too I might add.

In short - Intel dominates PCs, woohooo who cares - certainly not AMD anymore."

we all know that the PS4 and Xbox one uses the de-clocked FX 8 core integrated with a GPU

and looks like this is the direction AMD is going with

off topic the PS4 dev kit

http://vr-zone.com/a...sted/45606.html

i believe it single core max speed of 2.75GHz but expect around 2GHz when the final ver is out

http://vr-zone.com/a...nels/45602.html

the FX9590 are out but needs certain hardware like the mainboard and custom cooler

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130649

http://us.msi.com/pr...#/?div=Overview

MSI revamped their 990FX board to support the monster CPU

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

For mobo, I might be going with the RMA Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3, guy said he would be in the area Saturday and asked for my offer for the board, I offered $80, Waiting for a Reply. should be getting the OCZ 700W PSU, 8 GB Kingston HyperX 1.6GHz Ram and Seagate 500GB HDD Tomorrow.

Edited by Lord Letto, 16 July 2013 - 05:46 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:46 PM

Just saw this thread.

Ironically... I probably could have helped with parts though it seems you have things in order at this time... I live 20 minutes away in Kitchener itself...

Let me know if you need any assistance. I've built my own PC since... well seems like forever ago, I'm married, but really the last decade.

Also, I would personally find it difficult with that budget. My upgrade budget alone (which was only SSD, Mobo, CPU and Graphics) was $900. I didn't replace any fan's, case, PSU, RAM, additional hard-drives (I have 4 SATA drives on top of the SSD btw), DVD/Blu-Ray, heatsink/liquid cooling.

For MWO, because it uses the Cry Engine 3 (although it really doesn't fully utilize it at the point, let's be honest) I had trouble with my previous setup which I will list below for your convenience.

550 Watt PSU - Antec (Granted it's 11 years old but that really wasn't the problem)
EVGA P55-V Motherboard
EVGA 1GB GDDR5 GTS450 Graphics card
16GB of 1600Mhz Corsair Vengence Blue RAM
i5 750 (I believe, it might have been 760) Quad core 2.66 (or 2.8)Ghz processor
4x SATA III various sized Seagate Baracuda Harddrives but my board only supported SATA II for the record

The rest really doesn't matter for specifics but it's a 10bay steel server tower from Antec that I bought over a decade ago and an ASUS DvD RW drive to boot (whoo, game changing! lulz)

So I did notice several people recommending GTX cards. Take that advice!

Anyways... thought I'd let you know I'm actually in the area if you need help with the rig and some specs that did have some problems with the game.

Oh... I'm guessing you might want to know what I upgraded to maybe? Possibly not... list is below anyways

Motherboard upgraded to ASUS P8Z77-V
Processor (upgraded only cause of the socket change, damn you Intel) to i5 3570
O/S drive replaced with 120GB SSD Samsung 840
Graphics card upgraded to an ASUS GTX 660 DirectCU II OC 2GB GDDR5 card

Solid 60FPS on high settings in MWO. I'd say Max but I might not have everything totally tweaked to the max, I forget now. Point being it runs great.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:55 PM

View PostLord Letto, on 16 July 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

For mobo, I might be going with the RMA Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3, guy said he would be in the area Saturday and asked for my offer for the board, I offered $80, Waiting for a Reply. should be getting the OCZ 700W PSU, 8 GB Kingston HyperX 1.6GHz Ram and Seagate 500GB HDD Tomorrow.


I have that exact board and mine's done a hell of a job for me. I even bought mine as an refurb as well because I was skint and needed a CAD machine to make some money. Granted refurbs and used components are risky, but I've done alright most of the time.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 02:02 PM

Got the PSU, RAM and Seagate 500GB HDD Today. the PSU is a OCZ GameXStream 700W (OCZGXS700) lightly used for 1 year before system upgrade. 2x4GB RAM Sticks of Kingston HyperX 1600MHz (KHX1600C9D3K2/8G). the HDD is a Seagate Baracuda 7200.12 500GB (9SL142-302, ST3500418AS)
Thanks Shamous13

Edited by Lord Letto, 17 July 2013 - 04:53 PM.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:21 PM

View PostLord Letto, on 15 July 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

The ASUS it is then. As for The Case, I got a reply back From the "Sunbeam Samuri" Looks like a NZXT Guardian. Still Available, Few Years old in Excellent Condition, Side Window, Front Door and Thumb Screws for the Side Panels. Pics I was sent of it:
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Going to Try to Get IT!

Just found out this case sold, Either the Thermomaster(Coolermaster) TC101 or this NZXT guardian: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ381601233 is what i would have to get

Edited by Lord Letto, 18 July 2013 - 07:41 AM.


#118 Smokeyjedi

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 04:43 AM

Theres that fan array I was asking you about.....that looks decent......enough basic airflow to do for now. Don't worry well have you sitting @ 4.6ghz on all 4 threads in no time......slaying dem games.......

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 05:09 AM

View PostLord Letto, on 17 July 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

Got the PSU, RAM and Seagate 500GB HDD Today. the PSU is a OCZ GameXStream 700W (OCZGXS700) lightly used for 1 year before system upgrade. 2x4GB RAM Sticks of Kingston HyperX 1600MHz (KHX1600C9D3K2/8G). the HDD is a Seagate Baracuda 7200.12 500GB (9SL142-302, ST3500418AS)
Thanks Shamous13


Your welcome, Let me know if you have any problems with the HD, I have a couple more sitting around.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:47 AM

The Guy With The Thermomaster TC101 said the Only existing OEM fan is for PSU, Case has mounting locations for front lower, rear, side and internal HDD fans. 80/90 or 120mm fans





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