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[YueFei]

Liquid Leopard, on 30 May 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Intuitive or not, that's how a lot of battles are fought in the real world. Some Ranger or Seal with a laser designator lights up the target, or calls in the coordinates, and the target is obliterated by a bomb from an unseen aircraft.

I'm OK with MWO reflecting the real world, but our game here isn't nearly so lopsided. In MWO you have a verbal warning that the missiles are coming, and if you didn't stray far from cover you can mitigate the damage.

Iraqi soldiers said more than once they knew the Americans were coming when s#!t started blowing up around them. They would love to have heard "Warning, incoming missile" first.

Oh I agree. I have no problem with players being able to mass LRM barrages onto a single target via a spotter. I'm just trying to explain why some people say they are getting slaughtered by LRMs, and other people say they are laughing at LRMs. People have different experiences because of this factor.

The other day I was crippled in about 2 LRM salvos when an enemy Hunchback and I clashed head-on. I should've known better than to fight him but what the heck, it's only a game and it looked like it would be fun. Then LRM salvos started coming in, and I realized I was too far from cover. By the time I was able to get behind something tall I was almost dead and not much use to my team anymore.

And then on the flip-side of that, I charged an enemy Catapult who had 2 LRM15's, soaked up 3 salvos, and then managed to get under his minimum range and beat him.

So I can easily see why some people say LRMs are overpowered, and others say LRMs are trash.

Me I think LRMs are still underpowered. Almost anything en-mass will feel overpowered when you're being focus fired by a shitload of them.

[Lykaon]

Burpitup, on 29 May 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Ok i broke out my missle boat. i am sticking with that for a while. I kill with that thing since the patch. before it sucked. Now they are unstopable powerful. Not just me they have been buffed.

LRM 15 fires 15 missiles at .9 damage per missile and has a cost of 7 tons + 1 ton for artemis + min 1 ton of ammo total 9 tons 5 criticals.This weapon under the most ideal of conditions (Stationary target standing in the open and allowing the volley to hit them) will do 13 damage spread across several locations.

Under actual combat conditions you will have this to contend with.

ECM preventing locking at all.

Losing lock post launch and failing to hit expending ammo and building heat

AMS

Missile launch warnings tipping off the target to seek cover (not difficult because LRMs are the SLOWEST projectiles in the game by a large margin)

Team mates failing to bother to press "R" at all giving you nothing to fire at indirectly

Due to the above being forced to LOS your own targets and those targets are 3X PPC 1X Gauss rifle alpha strike spammers that put 2 salvos into you before your one has landed.

Now think to yourself why am I not using a PPC instead and then go do that.

[Reptilizer]

Burpitup, on 29 May 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

i don't concider myself really good. i pug every match. All i am saying is i have been doing way more damage with my LRM boats than i ever have before. I have been playing this for at least six months now. before if i was not in an atlas i would average 200 to 350 damage a game. in my atlas i can do 400 to 600 a game sometimes 800+. with my 3 LRM 15's i am doing 400 to 500 and one time i did almost 1000 damage. . I have never had that good with LRMS before. Call it luck or what ever but they are hard to miss with right now in my opinion.

Burpitup, on 29 May 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

I can agree with that. my problem is when i show up to the fight with a assault mech everyone seems to focus on it now. I guess they got the memo, i get torn down pretty quick. Med mechs are my favorite right now for getting in and fighting. People tend to leave me alone. and i get to shoot more. I don't have as many guns but i don't get shot at as much. I am now bored with the boating and going back to something more fun. It was fun doing crazy damage though.

You Sir, clearly are the master of trolls:

1. LRMs overpowered
2. Mediums have more survivability than assaults
leads to
3. Playing a different game than the rest of you all

Well, at least i had a laugh today...

[SmoothCriminal]

Just remove splash damage and buff damage. Don't really know why hasnt been implemented.

And while we're here, buff srms back 2.5 per missile, as they're a complete joke at the moment.

[Livewyr]

SmoothCriminal, on 31 May 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Just remove splash damage and buff damage. Don't really know why hasnt been implemented.

And while we're here, buff srms back 2.5 per missile, as they're a complete joke at the moment.

People need to seriously think about what they're saying when they keep talking about removing splash damage.

I can't be the only one who doesn't want a LRLBX5,10,15,20 that requires Artemis as a standard, and who doesn't want a 270 meter lightweight snub-nose LBX (that also requires artemis).

[Roadbuster]

After running some matches with LRM heavy builds over the past 2 days I have to agree that LRMs behave strangely.
I've had a Highlander getting cored with ~180-190 missiles (fired from 3 LRM10+Artemis in chainfire, no TAG) and a Hunchback only going from undamaged to orange torso armor with ~255-270 missiles (fired from 2 LRM15+Artemis with TAG).
Highlander was slowly moving, Hunchback was moving half of the time and stationary or shutdown the rest of the time.
On both mechs every volley fired hit the target, no obstacles in between,

I've also had matches where I only fired LRMs and no other weapons and dealt around 100 damage with ~700 missiles fired.
And I'm not one to fire LRMs at a target I can't hit.

It seems like there are problems with hit registration and damage registration. Probably because the speed was increased and the splash removed.

Well, looks like we're still not there yet.