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[Paladin1]

Datum, on 13 November 2011 - 07:43 PM, said:

"We are Clan Wolf, children of the Coward. We carry the dishonor of his dereliction of duty on our shoulders, as our fathers did in the flight from responsiblity. The Propaganda speaks to us of the Evil in Man's will to be free, of the excuses for cowardice, and the excuses of Kerensky. Infamy is our Destiny and our Right. Enslavement is our Gift. By the blood **** of our Founders we must return, return and pillage what is unique among the Stars. Terra awaits us just where our ancestors left it so long ago. We are the last of the Oppressors. The cause of 350 years of bloodshed in the Inner Sphere."
You were screwed by us, Inner Sphere Citizens.

I saw your post and noticed a few grammatical errors, but don't worry I fixed 'em for you. No charge!

[verybad]

The Clans are Space Communists. They think they're bad, but a bullet in the head stops them just the same. They think they're honorable, but they destroy entire cities filled with innocents because a few people protests against their ways. They think they're tough, but they'll learn better.

Theyr'e punks, and they better stay off of my god damned lawn.

Edited by verybad, 17 November 2011 - 02:06 PM.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

verybad, on 17 November 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

Theyr'e punks, and they better stay off of my god damned lawn.

I lol'ed

[CoffiNail]

verybad, on 17 November 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

The Clans are Space Communists. They think they're bad, but a bullet in the head stops them just the same.

Unless it is a Elemental in their battlearmor, a shot to the head does not necessarily kill them...

verybad, on 17 November 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

They think they're honorable, but they destroy entire cities filled with innocents because a few people protests against their ways.

Yes, I love that point. You all forget about Succession wars 1-3, which included the Kentares massacre where House Kurita slaughters the WHOLE DAMN POPULATION OF MILLIONS simply because their house lord got killed on the planet...

Turtle Bay was a Star Captain, who found out that the DC Heir was in his grasp, and he got away, was trying to understand why the population kept rebeling as the society he had understood that had been the same way for two centuries does not rebel like that, and if it does you stamp out the rebellion, AND NOT ONLY THAT the Commander of the Sabre Tooth, (the guy who gave the order) was sent back to the homeworlds for the huge waste of resources in the city and used to level the city.

Yes... which is really worse, planets where the WHOLE industrial base to support the planet was reduced to rubble just because that house lord could not keep the planet, so they sew the ground with salt... Yes, Turtle Bay was so devastating indeed.

verybad, on 17 November 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

They think they're tough, but they'll learn better.

Theyr'e punks, and they better stay off of my god damned lawn.

We are tough, no need to learn anything aside the barbarians of the inner sphere are dezgra surats who rarely will give a honorable fight.
We kind of took 1/4 of the Lyran Commonwealth and the Draconis Combines lawn, and something like 7/8th of the FRR's lawn... Maybe you should stay off our lawn.

Edited by CoffiNail, 17 November 2011 - 02:17 PM.

[verybad]

DIdn't forget about the succession wars at all. Most of the IS aren't going on and on about how honorable they are (except for the Drac's).

The Clan's are just full of righteous drivel, and when they get in trouble and get in a real knife fight, they drop the hoopla about honor REAL quick.

As for what they took. They lost in the end. You know that, I know that, and they know that. They just talk a good fight, they don't know how to fight a war, just a battle...no idea of what logistics means.

I think they're so popular because they have high tech. If when they showed up they had low tech, but there were a lot more of them, then they probably would have been shunned by all the people using their toys to make tougher mechs.

I can't wait to leg them and listen to clanners whine. I plan on searching for people in clan mechs that whine about honor, then recording matches with them for Youtube.

Yes, they're punks.

Edited by verybad, 17 November 2011 - 02:29 PM.

[CoffiNail]

Actually Ghost Bear won, very nicely I would respond for more, but i am on my way out to dinner, maybe after when i get home.

[Jaroth Corbett]

verybad, on 17 November 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

The Clans are Space Communists. They think they're bad, but a bullet in the head stops them just the same. They think they're honorable, but they destroy entire cities filled with innocents because a few people protests against their ways. They think they're tough, but they'll learn better.

Theyr'e punks, and they better stay off of my god damned lawn.

Think they are tough?

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"My God, she's using live ordnance! Is she crazy?"
All levity dropped from Natasha's voice. "No, she's just doing her job. I told you before. Simulators are for kids. Her shells are underpowered, just as are your lasers. That goes for the other two Foxes hunting you out there."

Silly surat, simulators are for kids.

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Placing his palms flat on the desk, Wolf leaned forward. "Now the two of us will become your instructors. Some of you have already seen battle, but even with that, the total sum of experience of those seated at this table would not equal what the average Clan warrior goes through in his training.
Furthermore, he has superior equipment and knows how to use it. We must attempt to narrow the gulf between you and the average Clansman."
His smile drained away. "Whether or not we can close it is another matter entirely."

Wolf's words took Victor back to the battles with the Clans on Trellwan and Twycross. It is true that those Clan warriors fight like the devil himself.

THINK?

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 17 November 2011 - 02:48 PM.

[Undead]

I'm a die hard clanner but I also like to play mercs.... *** contradiction my head a'splode.

Wow O M G got censored, that's a new one.

Edited by Undead, 17 November 2011 - 03:34 PM.

[Jack Gallows]

There's flaws in either system, IS and the Clan way.

I like the IS way of doing things better then being relegated to another caste for having a bad day, though

[Alizabeth Aijou]

Jaroth Winson, on 12 November 2011 - 07:28 AM, said:

Are you water or smoke?

I'm:

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Yes, I love that point. You all forget about Succession wars 1-3, which included the Kentares massacre where House Kurita slaughters the WHOLE DAMN POPULATION OF MILLIONS simply because their house lord got killed on the planet...

And that is a *** **** lie.
We killed only around 90% of the planet's population.

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Silly surat, simulators are for kids.

True, but enough hours in the simulator nets you time training in an actual battlemech.
At least, in the Dieron District Gymnasium it does.

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There's flaws in either system, IS and the Clan way.

Which is why I made my own fanon faction, which is perfect*, ofcourse.

*Well, not really. Borderline deep periphery state with the only nearby canon factions being the JàrnFòlk, the DC, and the OA. Oh, and Antallos (Port Krin).

Edited by Alizabeth Aijou, 18 November 2011 - 08:53 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Alizabeth Aijou, on 18 November 2011 - 08:50 AM, said:

True, but enough hours in the simulator nets you time training in an actual battlemech.
At least, in the Dieron District Gymnasium it does.

That does not negate the fact that we start in BattleMechs. You have to be a lot sharper from the get-go.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 18 November 2011 - 09:14 AM.

[Miles Tails Prower]

Options number 1 and 4 are the most accurate when using broad descriptions.

Edited by Miles Tails Prower, 19 November 2011 - 11:00 PM.

[Sirius]

I guess to me, the Clans amount to lost promise... kind of like the Spartans after they were first defeated even-strength, they never really recovered and now are more of a curiosity than anything else. Didn't help that they lost sight of who they were - rather than restoring civilization, they've mostly devolved into hyper-militarized Successor States. Maybe some might be happier with the way things turned out (Sea Foxes?), but as a JF fan there doesn't seem to be much to look forward to.

This forum brings back memories, though. I'd largely put the whole thing aside.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

Sirius, on 20 November 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:

I guess to me, the Clans amount to lost promise... kind of like the Spartans after they were first defeated even-strength, they never really recovered and now are more of a curiosity than anything else. Didn't help that they lost sight of who they were - rather than restoring civilization, they've mostly devolved into hyper-militarized Successor States. Maybe some might be happier with the way things turned out (Sea Foxes?), but as a JF fan there doesn't seem to be much to look forward to.

This forum brings back memories, though. I'd largely put the whole thing aside.

waiting for other clan players to jump down your throat about how wrong you are....


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Sirius, on 20 November 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:

but as a JF fan

oh is that how it works? I can just declare my love of clans and then
proceed to criticize without winson spouting off every two seconds
with walls of text?

Edited by Aaron DeChavilier, 27 November 2011 - 11:37 AM.

[Marauder3D]

1. In lore terms, having been involved in Battletech since the mid 80s, the Clans are an interesting social experiment with a strict if strange honor code and extremely advanced science and engineering abilities.

2. In real life terms, Clan Smoke Jaguar took me in, helped me learn MW:LL, and are a great group of people to play with and chat with in vent.

Point 2 is FAR more important than point 1, to the extreme that my first sentence is irrelevant as to why I joined the clans.

Just some food for thought.

[VoodooLou Kerensky]

How about this side kills that side while that side kills this side and Clan Black Sheep sits on the sidelines laughing and drinking? Unless that side happens to be ComStain err CumStar eehh ComStar then we break out our Mechs and make them look silly. Dont forget not all the Clanners are chest beating Vlads, granted most of them are but there are US laid back contraction using Clanners (who make the CornDog ones realllllyy mad cause we wont play their silly little my poopy stinks more than yours does games).

[Alex Wolf]

Why is there no option for "self-righteous, hypocritical communist zealots"?

The poll is biased, first three options display a positive view of them, next three are neutral and the last one is from a totally different point of view than the rest...

I'd like to vote for self-righteous, hypocritical communist zealots.

Edited by Alex Wolf, 29 November 2011 - 10:37 AM.

[Gremlich Johns]

There is no "communism" about the Clans - the society is socialist-based with tweaks to make it work right. Like allowing a high state of equailty without a true power elite (not "Democrats" but more like centrist Republicans)

[Aaron DeChavilier]

Gremlich Johns, on 29 November 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

There is no "communism" about the Clans - the society is socialist-based with tweaks to make it work right. Like allowing a high state of equailty without a true power elite (not "Democrats" but more like centrist Republicans)

But the warrior caste is the power elite
and as far as 'tweaks' to make it work right; explain, which tweaks?
that's what always killed me about the clan writing. The Inner Sphere
is written to feel like a larger version of the earth, people fighting
each other, corrupt governments etc

but the clans are written as some sort of utopia because of the
time honored Btech tradition:
the writers are on their side

if anything, the clan caste system should have collapsed into something
akin to the USSR within a short period of time.

[Gremlich Johns]

Tweaks like a working economy.

You forget that the warrior castes' remit, despite their high station, is to defend the others in clan society. You do not find that in the patent communist or socialist milieu. And the writers are sooooo not on their side - there exists the Jihad and DA abortions. Clan society has lasted (in fiction) longer than ANY socialist or communist system in our present or past.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 04 December 2011 - 09:33 AM.