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[grimzod]

Don, on 07 June 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

Does anyone else find it ironic that the OP hates talking about wot, yet has created a thread about it? Contributing to its discussion? Hypocrites will be hypocrites.

Troll Thread? Wot Style Troll thread? Garbad?

[GrimFist]

This is funny.

I predict that a large number, as in tens of thousands of people that play WOT will in fact play MWO.

Why.. it's free, instead of a tin can on tracks, it's a tin can that can jump, walk, run and you can configure it more than you can a tank in WOT.

While many things about WOT are very nice, others have cited the problems it has. It's still the best existing comparison to MWO that we have.

I fully hope and expect MWO to blow the **** out of WOT when it comes to everything.

[Imagine Dragons]

grimzod, on 07 June 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Troll Thread? Wot Style Troll thread? Garbad?

Oh gawd, his name is already legendary across the interwebs

Anyway... Just by all the great posts...

I'm going to be really really REAAALLLY sad when I find myself in a random battle in WoT after MWO is release...

Edited by XenomorphZZ, 07 June 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[MagnusEffect]

alekzandr sukhanov, on 07 June 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

World of Tank. It's pretty good. I actually like it. It's pretty slow gameplay though. You're right in saying MWO is not WoT but, I wouldn't necessarily dog WoT. They've done a good job for what they are. Now... can't wait to see some MWO play!!! [beta invite pending]

dooooh!

How is "pay to win" gold ammo (as in, pay real money for a real advantage in dps) and $50 for ONE ******* tank a good thing? yeah, i know it is optional, but it looks highly exploitive; a cash grab. How can you justify buying a single tank for the same cost as as an entire game?... hell... for $50 bucks you could buy TWO good games.

I will give WoT credit for a pretty cool damage system that works MOST of the time, but the matchmaking is **** and the "subscription" cost is WAY overpriced... and even then your options and gametypes are woefully limited. Buying a month is about $15 last time I checked... What. The. ****?! They charge AAA MMO prices for a game that isn't even a "real" MMO. The overall experience is shallow and just an exercise in masochism. Frankly, I'm amazed at the number of dumbasses who spent over $100 on it and I'm amazed at the number of people out there who defend this trite crap and games like it.

I'm so glad MWO is striving for something WAY better.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 07 June 2012 - 07:55 PM.

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grimzod, on 07 June 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Troll Thread? Wot Style Troll thread? Garbad?

I really hope garbad comes here. then the robot circus will have its lead attraction

I predicted months ago- in fact when i heard this was going to be an mmo, that there will be a mass exodus from the wot NA servers. this is in the same alley and if done successfully piranha could wind up opening a branch in eastern europe to bleed those members away from wg too, but alas I should probably keep my fantasy dreams to myself 8)

Edited by Battlecruiser, 07 June 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[Joe Kid]

Inversus, on 07 June 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

There are no "Super Tanks" that new players can just buy that have to be killed by other "Super Tanks", thats a myth spread by, to be frank bad players. What they have are "Premium Tanks" that give increased money making sounds a bit similar to the Founders Mech.

Premium tanks are generally well balanced against the normal tanks and share similar strengths and weaknesses to other tanks of the same tier. One example - the KV-5 tank which has on paper incredible armour for it tier. However the KV-5 has a massive weakspot on its frontal armour that is pretty easy to hit and penetrate. It also has a really weak gun for its tier.

I do agree that Gold ammo should never have been added.

I for one am buying the "Founders Pack" just to play sooner and to support MWOnline, the custom mechs are just a sweet bonus for me. I feel the more support we show both finacially and in word of mouth advertising, the more quantity and quality of added content we will receive from the devs. I will happily pay for good game content, lord knows I have been waiting for this game for so long and I am willing to do about anything to help make MWOnline the most sucessful F2P ever.

[kalabaddon]

they sell a 50$ tank because people buy it, why not?

also these tanks make up their value in a way cause they make you more in game cash, so you could buy in game cash or buy a cash making tank.

they are also a way for someone who hates grinding ( me among many ) to try the higher levels of the game. now that I have actually got several high tier tanks in wot I can honestly say the only benefit my expensive prem tank gives me is better money at the end of the match.

the biggest issue I see with wot is not the gold rounds, or the premium tanks, or even the mm, it is the people that play a free game and complain about all those things non stop!

take gold rounds, I only used them a couple of times to check them out, but am constantly accused of using them... just cause I bothered to learn your tanks weak spot does not mean I payed money to better penetrate it. that said gold rounds can be pay to win, but it is a EXPENSIVE pay to win, you think a 50 dollar tank is bad, think if you are spending cash on every round that your tank shoots, if someone can afford that much money on the game ( it has to be a SMALLLL % ) more power to them. they give the developers more money to make the game better! and the game has been getting better since I started playing IMHO.

mm is another, it is not great but it is a hard thing to get right, if it was always the same tier only in a match, then a couple of tanks would become the go to tanks per tier, by allowing a range, everyone gets to kill stuff and everyone gets killed. maybe the ranges should be tighted up some but I could not say that would be better or worse.

I am not a fan of the vocal minority of wot, but I do not base my opinion of that game based on that vocal Minority.

I also know that for a free game it has been well worth the money I have given it. if I didn't enjoy the game I would not have spent money on it...



lastly I want to play MWOnot cause I am disapointed in wot...

I want to play MWO cause I WANNA LAY DOWN AC DEATH IN AN ANNIHILATOR!!!!!! ( which I know aint listed yet, but I can hope!)

but honestly I have been jonesing for some modern mech action since I heard about MWO, and since then I have re-installed and been playing MW4 and MWLL to get my mech fix!

[MagnusEffect]

I second what Joe Kid said. The founder mechs are not really all that impressive to me personally. The mechs I want aren't included in the list so the founder mech i pick will probably not even be used that much once i get what i really want.

[Imagine Dragons]

Battlecruiser, on 07 June 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

I really hope garbad comes here. then the robot circus will have its lead attraction

I predicted months ago- in fact when i heard this was going to be an mmo, that there will be a mass exodus from the wot NA servers. this is in the same alley and if done successfully piranha could wind up opening a branch in eastern europe to bleed those members away from wg too, but alas I should probably keep my fantasy dreams to myself 8)

Im guessing you're also Battlecruiser from wot?

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XenomorphZZ, on 07 June 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

Im guessing you're also Battlecruiser from wot?

The one and only.

although I'm done there that game is not only a competitive flop but its developers treat their player base like a joke.

but not only that the way they talk about my waifu the E-100 is outrageous

Edited by Battlecruiser, 07 June 2012 - 08:04 PM.

[MagnusEffect]

kalabaddon, on 07 June 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

they sell a 50$ tank because people buy it, why not?

also these tanks make up their value in a way cause they make you more in game cash, so you could buy in game cash or buy a cash making tank.

they are also a way for someone who hates grinding ( me among many ) to try the higher levels of the game. now that I have actually got several high tier tanks in wot I can honestly say the only benefit my expensive prem tank gives me is better money at the end of the match.

the biggest issue I see with wot is not the gold rounds, or the premium tanks, or even the mm, it is the people that play a free game and complain about all those things non stop!

See, that's where you are wrong. People are going to complain, but most of them are complaining for good reasons. The game is NOT balanced, not friendly to new players, the matchmaking is a joke no matter how you justify it (I honestly could do a better job), and the stagnant gametype of "cap the base or kill dudes" is booooring. Maybe if WG actually started acting like it didn't hate its own playerbase, more would be willing to put money on it. Again, how can you justify their price brackets? The monthly subscription cost is OUTRAGEOUS for what you get. And WG is acting like they don't give a ****. Saying "well if people are willing to pay, why not?" does not justify it. If you are not *just a little* embarassed by paying $50 for ONE internet tank (and when WoT shuts down, you will have *nothing*) then maybe there really is no hope for you. Consider taking some of your apparent wealth and donating to charity more... it would be money better spent.

I realize people are ALWAYS going to be willing to pay for stupid ****, but a lot of those people are also going to get buyer's remorse. And a lot of us (who have been burned before on stuff like this) already see it happening and won't be spending any money because of it... but we maybe would have if WG pulled it's head out of its ***. Personally, I gave them $15, but in hindsight I regret giving them even that. Even if the Planes and Battleships games are actually better, WG has turned me against them by their own action (or inaction) with WoT. I know I can find way better than what they offer. They can sink or swim for all I care.

"Oh well" I say. Hopefully WG's failures will be a lesson to other developers so we maybe don't have to deal with such shenanigans as often... one can hope anyway.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 07 June 2012 - 08:53 PM.

[Shirefolk]

the crow2k, on 07 June 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

FYI Preffered matchmaking when using a premium tank is a myth. One of my clanmates told me that was a hidden benefit of premium tanks before I owned one. So when I bought one I kept track of it for a few weeks on an excell sheet seeing where I lobbed: top, middle or bottom. Compared the matchmaking to my Tiger II and found that the Tiger II actually got about 3% more favourable matchups which I attribute to the general randomness of the matchmaker.

So please stop spreading that Rumor because that is all that it is.

That said Paying for 24 hours of premium hangar space DOES improve your matchmaking and I have tested it over 2 x 24 hour periods of premium which I won. Which if you think about it makes sense from a business point of view, charging for a consumable to improve matchmaking makes a lot more business sense.

WoT is not for everyone and currently ive been having a couple of weeks break from the game myself.

Ah good to know. Although there would be a correlation with premium accounts and premium tanks. But still good to have accurate info. Once again though, it is still buying a matchmaking advantage.

I will edit the new info.

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premium tanks are just as good as any other tank. and if they aren't that's never stopped me from doing just fine with them.

the only drawback premium tanks have is that it often enables new players with no metagame grasp to freely ruin higher tier games

[kalabaddon]

MagnusEffect, on 07 June 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

See, that's where you are wrong. People are going to complain, but most of them are complaining for good reasons. The game is NOT balanced, not friendly to new players, and the lack of things to do besides "cap the base or kill dudes" is booooring. Maybe if WG actually started acting like it didn't hate its own playerbase, more would be willing to put money on it. Again, how can you justify their price brackets? The monthly subscription cost is OUTRAGEOUS for what you get. And WG is acting like they don't give a ****. Saying "well if people are willing to pay, why not?" does not justify it. People are ALWAYS going to be willing to pay for stupid ****, but a lot of those people are also going to get buyer's remorse. And a lot of us (who have been burned before on stuff like this) already see it happening and won't be spending any money because of it... but we maybe would have if WG pulled it's head out of its ***.

"Oh well" I say. Hopefully WG's failures will be a lesson to other developers so we maybe don't have to deal with such shenanigans as often... one can hope anyway.

well, that has been my experience and my opinion of the game, others might not agree but my opinion is still that you can play the game for free, that it can be fun free (I "mostly" don't spend any money any more... not to say I don't at all but it is a rare occurrence now) and I did not find it hard as a beginner when I first started, and I still play a lot of t1-4 tanks and enjoy them(main reason I dont play them more is I am trying to unlock the higher tier mediums). other people might disagree with me and that is fine. I just wanted to put forth what I saw as the issue with the game. and to me it is the vocal minority (yes I still call it that because while I might be wrong I have not seen enough information to prove me wrong so me opinion stands).

forgot the cost thing you mostly where talking about I still think it is a free market, if more people stop paying then the price will probably go down. heck it seems to me that gold price has gone down a little ( is weird ways, like buying gold from the gift shop in the form of a tank you already have vs buying it normally) it is still a new game, if the cost model supports it self long term then it is fine. but the game is FAR from pay to win IMHO... and since it does not seem to be pay to win, then others paying what you think is a high amount should not bother you?

and you cap or kill point is good, but the next patch is adding 2 more game type supposedly...

omg I have edit issues also buyers remorse is not the fault of the game, you even mentioned that have seen it before so you should of expected that something might happen to a tank you paid for. to me I paid for a tank to get me extra cash, not to win, so as far as I can tell nothing has changed since I bought the prem tanks I did get... now if you bought the tanks to win even tho they where sold as a way to make more money then what can I say.

Edited by kalabaddon, 07 June 2012 - 08:34 PM.

[MagnusEffect]

@kalabaddon: those are some awesome rose-tinted glasses my friend. where can i get some? For what it is worth and as much as any talk about WoT being a "good game" infuriates me, I do respect your opinion on the matter. the "free-market" arguement is a viable one even if i think they are taking it too far. to be honest, the $50 tanks dont even really bother me; people can buy it if they want. I just took one look at it and was like "wow, what a waste of money". don't you think the premium account rates are just a bit outrageous though? I mean it is just as expensive as any triple-A MMORPG on the market. that is just insane to me for a game that is built only around team deathmatch... a mode that almost any other game offers essentially for free without any "premium" advantages to stress about.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 07 June 2012 - 09:02 PM.

[The Crow2k]

Shirefolk, on 07 June 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Ah good to know. Although there would be a correlation with premium accounts and premium tanks. But still good to have accurate info. Once again though, it is still buying a matchmaking advantage.

I will edit the new info.

Yes premium sub is craptastic really & as with gold ammo expensive. Not every many people in my clan (which has over 45 active players on most nights) bother with premium or gold ammo. You can be a premium account holder with a premium tank & your gold ammo and still get WTFPWNED in 10 seconds of contact by 3 people in a platoon working together as was the intended design.

Battlecruiser, on 07 June 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

premium tanks are just as good as any other tank. and if they aren't that's never stopped me from doing just fine with them.

the only drawback premium tanks have is that it often enables new players with no metagame grasp to freely ruin higher tier games

Personally I find now I have some free high tier tanks that the fact I cannot customize your configuration and loadouts on my premium tanks is pretty crappy, granted its more important in clan wars to be able to tailor bits and pieces of your tank to what the team needs but its still nice to switch from slow heavy turret to fast light turret in certain circumstances and I like to switch between high penetration and high damage guns as well.

And yeah you can usually tell the newbies that just started playing and bought premiums, they are usually the Lowe who is getting circle raped by light tanks or who stays stationary after a scout has spotted them then gets nailed by artiller 30 seconds later. They are detrimental to your team if nothing else.

[kalabaddon]

ya I do think it is expensive for the premium accounts. that is why I stopped paying for it except for the occasional weekend or when there is an exp bounses.

but I like the game, what can I say, there are few games that I have paid for in the past 3 years that I think was worth the cash I paid, or that I even bothered beating. wot, I keep playing and don't feel bad about the money I spent on it.

and even taking in to consideration that I have spent a bit on the game, I have spent more on wow, eve, eq, eq2 ect... EACH. and not had as much basic fun, out of those I listed eve is the only one I still play, and even that one I spend more time inactive then active now.

I like the way wot does the pay system, I agree it is pricey but I don't feel ripped of when I pay that price, when I pay 60 dollars for a new game that I cant even try for free and it stinks ( spore comes to mind grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) that bothers me! in wot my choice to spend money came after I found that i enjoyed the game, and that meant a lot to me.

now MWO might show a much better way to do this and more power to them if they do, and also if they do, wot will probably follow suit and be a better game for me and others, but I do not consider it a bad game as it is now.

to sum up, wot has faults, don't get me wrong, but I still think it is a great game, with MWO becoming a close competitor it will probably get even better since they will have competition in this type of game play, (btw what competition does wot currently have, free to play shooters are not the same so to me unless I am missing something, MWO will be its first real competition)


sorry if my posts are getting harder to read, getting later and I am passing out soon!

[MagnusEffect]

I definitely agree with you on this matter; competition will be a good thing... especially for us gamers. I think you are right about WoT not really having much competition up to this point. Maybe that's partially why they've been able to get away with their machiavellian pricings. I can think of a few similar F2P games, but nothing with the exposure that WoT has enjoyed. Will be interesting to see how things develop in the coming months.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 07 June 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[kalabaddon]

100% agree!

btw what games do you know of like wot, I been looking but all I find are standard shooters and strategic types games (which are nice but...)

[MagnusEffect]

there is this one space sim-y shooter thing that immediately comes to mind but i can't remember what it is called... will try to find the article on it. the others... argh... i am terrible with names. it's one of those things where you would recognize it if you saw it kind of thing. will try to find some links.

UPDATE:
ok.. found the first one i mentioned. keep in mind, i've never actually gotten around to playing it (i only heard of it a few weeks ago)... although now that i found the link again i might just do that. here is the article... it *sounds* pretty awesome though:

http://www.escapistm...me-Never-Played

apparently, it left enough of an impression that the fanbase revived it and has been running servers for it all this time. here's the link to the main website:
http://freeallegiance.org/

Hmm... there were others but apparently I'm only finding space sim games right now. I know next to nothing about it, but there is also this on my radar:

WingCommander Saga
http://wcsaga.com/
i'm pretty sure it is free to play as well, but i'm unsure if there is any multiplayer to it. still... could be a good time killer.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 07 June 2012 - 10:01 PM.