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[BlackIronTarkus]

Alright, so this morning Im having quite a few victories and everything is awesome. Last game as of 3 june 2013 at 10:25 I ecountered a stalker with PPCs alone in a tunel. Luckily for me I know his weakness and hug the hell out of him with my pretty baby.

Still, he manage to damage me with his PPCs at that range but I manage to defeat him anyway. I think; Hmmm ok maybe I wasnt close enough or it is a latency problem. I proceed further into the tunnel and guess what I see, a lonely awesome him too using PPCs but he also use medium lasers. Alright same tactic. So I proceed to hug him, and I mean HUG, his medium lasers are doing damage but no problem. Then he fires his PPCs while im hugging him and it finish me off instantly.

I look around my wreck, still no one around and the AWS slowly leave the scene. This time I think to myself; BULLCRAP!

Try to for yourself next time you encounter a PPC weilder, if I understand well they are not suposed to do any damage under 90 meters which is their minimal range. Yet they did, so its either broken or I dont understand the mechanic proprely. That or the 90 meters is calculated from the middle of the mech to the middle of mine and even if we are hugging I am considered further than 90meters because of our fat huge husk.

Either way, something is broken.

[Joseph Mallan]

Good. Cause thy are supposed to do REDUCED damage under 90m.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 03 June 2013 - 06:39 AM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Damage drops off below 90 meters, it doesn't just stop there. It's never been remotely suggested from any official source that it does, to the best of my knowledge.

I'm not sure where they measure range from, but I don't think it's possible to actually reach zero, at least on most mechs. Though I haven't experimented to try. What I have done is face-hugged a PPC Awesome that was backed into a corner, so he had zero room to maneuver and gain even a little range, and spent considerable time blasting him to scrap while taking almost no damage in return.

[Sug]

PPC damage is reduced linearly from 10 to 0 from 90m to 0m. Like a lasers damage is reduced linearly from it's optimal range to its max range.

[Ningyo]

While hugging a PPC should do no more than 1 damage per shot (you are considered somewhere between 10-15m away still I think for weapon travel distances not really certain on this though)

PPCs really are perfectly good weapons down to about 50-60m range (somewhere around 4-6 damage per shot) kindof like the max useful range is around 700m, after that they will do <4 damage per shot, by 900m they will do 1 or less.

Based on other peoples testing it is not linear, its a curve but aside from that yes.

Edited by Ningyo, 03 June 2013 - 06:50 AM.

[Vodrin Thales]

OneEyed Jack, on 03 June 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

Damage drops off below 90 meters, it doesn't just stop there. It's never been remotely suggested from any official source that it does, to the best of my knowledge.

I'm not sure where they measure range from, but I don't think it's possible to actually reach zero, at least on most mechs. Though I haven't experimented to try. What I have done is face-hugged a PPC Awesome that was backed into a corner, so he had zero room to maneuver and gain even a little range, and spent considerable time blasting him to scrap while taking almost no damage in return.

Matter of fact one of the recent patch notes states they fixed a bug that was causing PPC damage to drop off too quickly inside of 90 meters. If you want PPC's not to hurt you really need to hug a mech using them. At 30 meters they are only doing a little over 3 damage per PPC and still generating full heat.

[Syllogy]

BlackIronTarkus, on 03 June 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

they are not suposed to do any damage under 90 meters which is their minimal range.

Wrong.

Joseph Mallan, on 03 June 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Good. Cause thy are supposed to do REDUCED damage under 90m.

Right.

PPC's have a linear drop in damage from 10 damage @ 90m to 0 damage @ 0m.

[MeiSooHaityu]

That's good to know, because I did think PPCs were useless under 90m. Now maybe I will use them more when a target closes in under 90m (assuming I can spare the heat vs damage).

[Trauglodyte]

I thought that everyone know this?

[keith]

its linear, lets make it 100m for easy math. at 90m then then it would do 9dam instead of 10. at 50m it would do 5 dam instead of 10. so at 10m point blank blank, ppc should be doing around 1 dam for that 7 or 8 heat. please excuse my rough math skills

[LordBraxton]

They seem to NOT drop off linearly over range however

I've had multiple base swap matches where I snipe any enemy with 4PPCs at 800-850 meters

(only shot of entire match)

and get 30-34 damage

whereas if the drop off was linear

I would have 20-22 damage

Edited by LordBraxton, 03 June 2013 - 08:29 AM.

[stjobe]

Back in CB I got taught the hard way that PPCs in fact do some damage under 90m as I got a bit too cocky in my Commando in front of an Awesome; we were the last two left in the match and I was trying to tickle him to death while avoiding his bolts of Doom when I suddenly think to myself: "Self, he's using PPCs! They do no damage under 90m! Get in there and finish him off".

Needless to say, my brain-fart meant we lost the match.

[Darius Deadeye]

Well, this is news to me. I honestly thought dmg dropped to nothing below 90meters. I had, like the op, noticed that I would take dmg even when below 90meters from a PPC monster, but had untill now written it off as latency or a bug that was probably being worked on.

Good to know :-)

[Jman5]

I need to test this because PPC were changed last patch. I just hope it's not bugged because I too am noticing an uptick in close range PPC damage.

Quote

- PPC's should now do appropriate damage within Min Range

http://mwomercs.com/game/patch-notes

[Vaktor]

yeah I remember a little annoying jenner screwing with my centurion nerd ragging to the heaven when he ate the dirt, "WTF!!! U NO SUPOSE TO DMG UNDER 90!!! YOU CHEATING COMMIE!!"

... I'm not going to lie it was rather satisfying

Edited by Vaktor, 03 June 2013 - 08:49 AM.

[Coolant]

to OP, if you get hit by 4 PPC's at just a range of 50, that's still roughly 20 damage, equal to an AC20. PPC's are still viable under 90 especially if there is several...

[Lefty Lucy]

Jman5, on 03 June 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

I need to test this because PPC were changed last patch. I just hope it's not bugged because I too am noticing an uptick in close range PPC damage.


http://mwomercs.com/game/patch-notes

I felt so vindicated by this change. I had a gd *dev* tell me that PPC damage drop off was linear when it was in fact a non-linear function both in training grounds and live servers.

[topgun505]

As has been stated, they do damage below 90m.

However.

I think considering just how many PPCs are being fielded these days they SHOULD be changed so that they do ZERO damage at under 90m in order to act as an additional counter balance.

Edited by topgun505, 03 June 2013 - 10:41 AM.

[SpiralRazor]

BlackIronTarkus, on 03 June 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

Alright, so this morning Im having quite a few victories and everything is awesome. Last game as of 3 june 2013 at 10:25 I ecountered a stalker with PPCs alone in a tunel. Luckily for me I know his weakness and hug the hell out of him with my pretty baby.

Still, he manage to damage me with his PPCs at that range but I manage to defeat him anyway. I think; Hmmm ok maybe I wasnt close enough or it is a latency problem. I proceed further into the tunnel and guess what I see, a lonely awesome him too using PPCs but he also use medium lasers. Alright same tactic. So I proceed to hug him, and I mean HUG, his medium lasers are doing damage but no problem. Then he fires his PPCs while im hugging him and it finish me off instantly.

I look around my wreck, still no one around and the AWS slowly leave the scene. This time I think to myself; BULLCRAP!

Try to for yourself next time you encounter a PPC weilder, if I understand well they are not suposed to do any damage under 90 meters which is their minimal range. Yet they did, so its either broken or I dont understand the mechanic proprely. That or the 90 meters is calculated from the middle of the mech to the middle of mine and even if we are hugging I am considered further than 90meters because of our fat huge husk.

Either way, something is broken.

Its not broken dude, you are just unaware that its working as has been intended for umm...months.

They will do reduced damage under 90

topgun505, on 03 June 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

As has been stated, they do damage below 90m.

However.

I think considering just how many PPCs are being fielded these days they SHOULD be changed so that they do ZERO damage at under 90m in order to act as an additional counter balance.

Uh no...you dont balance items because of how many are used...thats dumb. PPCs were absolute trash for a long, long time. They are where they should be now, and in Canon, were considered the Kings of the battlefield, whereas the MedLas was the workhorse of the IS.

[Vaktor]

SpiralRazor, on 03 June 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Uh no...you dont balance items because of how many are used...thats dumb. PPCs were absolute trash for a long, long time. They are where they should be now, and in Canon, were considered the Kings of the battlefield, whereas the MedLas was the workhorse of the IS.

That is why I am excited about the variable heat scale on certain boating weapons... the fact that people are exploiting that you can cram 5 ppc on a stalker with only shutting down as a consequence should not mean that my centurion with one ppc should get hit by the nerf bat.

Edited by Vaktor, 03 June 2013 - 01:32 PM.