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[MEGABOT 5]

Hey there,

I love this game, and I, too, recently took a long break after the constant frustration with pop tarting. It really started to ruin MWLL when in early beta, like 2.0 or 3.0, you could pop tart all day with the heavy gauss Hollander... Just made me quit for awhile because it was the most effective strategy to the point where it was broken. Just like this game with the 3 PPC 1 Gauss highlanders just bouncing above ridges all day long!

So my question is... has it been fixed? I don't even want to play right now, game still needs more mechs and game modes. Not spending any more money until more game modes are added. Assault and Base cap aren't even as complicated as MW1, haha.

[Gelion]

See very few poptarts, and the people who do do it either fail miserably, or are actually skilled. So it has become a skilled tactic.

[Captain Stiffy]

There is always a rush to adopt any seemingly effective strategy. I can't tell you how many of these dumb things I slaughtered with my hunchback or 6xML Jenner. Poptarting was never really a 'problem' and the drooling noobs who were standing still and got killed by it who thought that it was have now whined their way into nerfs for something that wasn't an issue at all to begin with and hasn't been popular for at least six weeks.

Good jobs noobs, keep ruining another pro game.

[JSparrowist]

Captain Stiffy, on 05 June 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

There is always a rush to adopt any seemingly effective strategy. I can't tell you how many of these dumb things I slaughtered with my hunchback or 6xML Jenner. Poptarting was never really a 'problem' and the drooling noobs who were standing still and got killed by it who thought that it was have now whined their way into nerfs for something that wasn't an issue at all to begin with and hasn't been popular for at least six weeks.

Good jobs noobs, keep ruining another pro game.

popping up and down from behind a ridge while "sniping" does not make a "pro game".

Wake up.

[Livewyr]

Captain Stiffy, on 05 June 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

There is always a rush to adopt any seemingly effective strategy. I can't tell you how many of these dumb things I slaughtered with my hunchback or 6xML Jenner. Poptarting was never really a 'problem' and the drooling noobs who were standing still and got killed by it who thought that it was have now whined their way into nerfs for something that wasn't an issue at all to begin with and hasn't been popular for at least six weeks.

Good jobs noobs, keep ruining another pro game.

Very mature, and not asinine.

[MustrumRidcully]

Going by the forums, you might actually be able to switch over to standard heat sinks right now - the flood of tears should make your leg-mounted heat sinks work with double efficiency, and that's just something DHS can't benefit from.

[Matroid]

the jump jet shake which occurs is actually pretty good. it makes the crosshairs bounce enough than you can't really shoot over 200m well (pretty much all of the sniping weapons), but if you were a Jenner you can still jump over peoples heads and land some medium lasers

I approve

Edited by Hadros, 05 June 2013 - 03:52 AM.

[Captain Stiffy]

LOL I can't believe the whining about "pop tarts". Most of these sniveling noobs don't even know if they got killed in that way or not... every time they get sniped and didn't see it "it must have been a poptart".

List of things to actually fix:
Advanced Seismic Sensor is EXTRAORDINARILY OVERPOWERED. I don't need to go into detail.
6 ppc builds (they released the Misery at the height of this mech's popularity so they probably will take their sweet time on this)
2x AC20 builds (they just released a hero JM... again unlikely)
Warping light mechs that are impossible to hit because they teleport around (even when I have like a 20 ping and am getting 50 FPS)
Jump Jets have no directional control (which is a double edged sword and most of the cause of any unfairness regarding jump jet aiming) and no directional push except at liftoff.
AMS is not balanced with LRM boating
LRM boating (still) is not balanced


"Pop-tarts" were a non-issue. The only reason the devs did this is because nubs who can't play immediately come to the forums to complain about it and to their credit and the dismay of the game in general they actually do listen to the forums.

This is nothing but "I use jump jets" vs. "I don't use jump jets".

I.E. You aren't going to find anyone who plays a light with JJ's that wants them nerfed to fix poptarting.

[Yankee77]

To OP:

Yes, it has been fixed.

Poptarting is not eliminated, but is now relegated to people with actual skills, and who actually load up several Jump Jets to give them more time to fall back down (once you turn off the JJs the shake stops).

What this means is a lot less people use poptarting, and it generally is no longer as useful. So even people who can still poptart won't do it as much.

I actually saw a highlander charge around cover yesterday, it was a novel sight.

Oh, and if you like LRMs, you'll be pleased. They're better balanced now, and feel worth their tonnage without being overpowered. Also, more brawling means more people out of cover.

[Acid Phase]

Captain Stiffy, on 05 June 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

List of things to actually fix:
Advanced Seismic Sensor is EXTRAORDINARILY OVERPOWERED. I don't need to go into detail.
6 ppc builds (they released the Misery at the height of this mech's popularity so they probably will take their sweet time on this)
2x AC20 builds (they just released a hero JM... again unlikely)
Warping light mechs that are impossible to hit because they teleport around (even when I have like a 20 ping and am getting 50 FPS)
Jump Jets have no directional control (which is a double edged sword and most of the cause of any unfairness regarding jump jet aiming) and no directional push except at liftoff.
AMS is not balanced with LRM boating
LRM boating (still) is not balanced

You had me here. But only this. Your claims of Pop Tarts not being an issue is ridiculous because it is. JJ are meant as a form of mobility. Not as an offensive tactic as the pop-tarts were using it. The only time I can understand when reticule shake is a problem is on a low-grav environment. Other than that, I can finally quote PGI with delight: "It's working as intended"

[Mechteric]

Yes its safe to come out!

[armyof1]

Captain Stiffy, on 05 June 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

LOL I can't believe the whining about "pop tarts". Most of these sniveling noobs don't even know if they got killed in that way or not... every time they get sniped and didn't see it "it must have been a poptart".

List of things to actually fix:
Advanced Seismic Sensor is EXTRAORDINARILY OVERPOWERED. I don't need to go into detail.
6 ppc builds (they released the Misery at the height of this mech's popularity so they probably will take their sweet time on this)
2x AC20 builds (they just released a hero JM... again unlikely)
Warping light mechs that are impossible to hit because they teleport around (even when I have like a 20 ping and am getting 50 FPS)
Jump Jets have no directional control (which is a double edged sword and most of the cause of any unfairness regarding jump jet aiming) and no directional push except at liftoff.
AMS is not balanced with LRM boating
LRM boating (still) is not balanced


"Pop-tarts" were a non-issue. The only reason the devs did this is because nubs who can't play immediately come to the forums to complain about it and to their credit and the dismay of the game in general they actually do listen to the forums.

This is nothing but "I use jump jets" vs. "I don't use jump jets".

I.E. You aren't going to find anyone who plays a light with JJ's that wants them nerfed to fix poptarting.

Here's a box of tissues bro, let it all out

[General Taskeen]

Well, for once I was able to bring my Atlas-D Samsonov 2xPPC 1xAC/20 out of the garage without everyone jumping all up on my grill. Also, people do realize that 'poptarting' of JJ's is a product of their mostly "hover-jet" not-so-great mobility maneuvering compared to MW:LL's enhanced-programmed JJ's? Basically the only thing to do with them, was just as a platform for the 'poptart' that plagued MW4 and early builds of MW:LL.

[Belorion]

If someone had their panties so much in a knot over poptarts (which were easily avoidable) I am sure the next best QQ will drive them to ground in short order, so probably still not safe to return.

[Otto Cannon]

Captain Stiffy, on 05 June 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

I use jumpjets on any mech that can equip them for mobility reasons and I'm more than happy with the shaking.

[Murzao]

Captain Stiffler is definitely a poptarting noob....no question.

Nothing was more broke than a team of poptarts. Sure 1 poptart is easy fodder but when you get 4+ of them you'd be dead long before you got close to any 1 of them.

PGI finally getting the game back closer to the core game finally....needs to double screen shake again for sure to simulate tabletop JJ penalty.

[Livewyr]

Belorion, on 05 June 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

...(which were easily avoidable)...

Well, they were easily avoidable, provided:
You were out of range.
and/or
You didn't come out from behind cover, for more than a second.

(I remember many games in a UAC5 Jagermech, in Tourmaline and Alpine, bored to tears sitting behind the terrain waiting for someone to break a leg during the prance so I could take advantage of the opening and fight...)

Wasn't even a range thing for me.. I had UACs. It was that I had to come out (in the open) and wait for them to pop up, to deliver a few UAC5 rounds onto them before they put a 40+ alpha into me and disappeared. That being a very dumb maneuver.. I opted to sit and wait for something to break a prancing ankle.

[Belorion]

Livewyr, on 05 June 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

Wasn't even a range thing for me.. I had UACs. It was that I had to come out (in the open) and wait for them to pop up, to deliver a few UAC5 rounds onto them before they put a 40+ alpha into me and disappeared. That being a very dumb maneuver.. I opted to sit and wait for something to break a prancing ankle.

I think you hit in the root problem that most people had with poptarters. Patience. Or a lack thereof. Staying behind cover until the poptarter could be engaged to them was just as unbearable as defending their base so that they don't get back capped.

[Livewyr]

Belorion, on 05 June 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

I think you hit in the root problem that most people had with poptarters. Patience. Or a lack thereof. Staying behind cover until the poptarter could be engaged to them was just as unbearable as defending their base so that they don't get back capped.

I have patience, a lot of it.. but what exactly brings a poptart to where he can be engaged?
He doesn't have to move. He has cover, and a front loaded, high damage, ranged alpha strike.
What amount of patience makes it safe for you to move?


(This is sorta like the old problem of the LRMapocalypse.. unsafe to move from cover- only it's worse because at least LRMs took time to get to you..)

[MustrumRidcully]

Belorion, on 05 June 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

I think you hit in the root problem that most people had with poptarters. Patience. Or a lack thereof. Staying behind cover until the poptarter could be engaged to them was just as unbearable as defending their base so that they don't get back capped.

True. Just wait until the pop-tarter runs out of ammo, and then you got him.