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[OneEyed Jack]

Ngamok, on 06 June 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

Yes it can. It's been pointed out already that it's in a location that can be destroyed without having to destroy the entire mech to neutralize it.

That's just an excuse to be vindictive, and you know it. An arm/leg would have worked as well or better.

[Taemien]

So it can have 3 missile slots AND ECM? I say no. None of the other Atlas variants have 3 missile slots so this is the price you pay for ECM. If you want to play a missile boat Atlas, take off the ECM. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Short answer, the mech isn't being penalized by having the ECM in the torso, It can still mount 2 LRM20s there like every other Atlas can with the exception of the K which can only ever mount one.

If you want to say that the D and RS can have 1-2 missile points added, then we can talk about moving ECM somewhere else on the DDC, but not until then. And not until its implemented.

[OneEyed Jack]

Taemien, on 06 June 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

So it can have 3 missile slots AND ECM? I say no. None of the other Atlas variants have 3 missile slots so this is the price you pay for ECM. If you want to play a missile boat Atlas, take off the ECM. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Short answer, the mech isn't being penalized by having the ECM in the torso, It can still mount 2 LRM20s there like every other Atlas can with the exception of the K which can only ever mount one.

If you want to say that the D and RS can have 1-2 missile points added, then we can talk about moving ECM somewhere else on the DDC, but not until then. And not until its implemented.

Now you're just being stupid. The DDC already gives up 2 energy compared to those variants.

[Joseph Mallan]

Taemien, on 06 June 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

So it can have 3 missile slots AND ECM? I say no. None of the other Atlas variants have 3 missile slots so this is the price you pay for ECM. If you want to play a missile boat Atlas, take off the ECM. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Short answer, the mech isn't being penalized by having the ECM in the torso, It can still mount 2 LRM20s there like every other Atlas can with the exception of the K which can only ever mount one.

If you want to say that the D and RS can have 1-2 missile points added, then we can talk about moving ECM somewhere else on the DDC, but not until then. And not until its implemented.

Sorry bu I have to laugh at this thinking. Seriously it just makes me laugh. It can't be done cause nothing else does it! o you see the humor in that thinking?

[General Taskeen]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Dude, It took a while but they added a HP for ECM. I have no problem with that. But for the love of all that's sacred, put id somewhere smart! And heavily protected. or at the very least, somewhere with fer weapon hard points. This placement was specifically to o the dumbest placement possible.


Thank You Doc!

Well Joseph. Then you should petition PGI and show them evidence of this Atlas for placement: http://goodsects.got...te/pdf/5037.pdf

And my next comment is not directed at you specifically, but we all know people love ECM, when the stars align and there not 50 counters in a match, that they like using all their weapons and the other guy can't use some of theirs. Like, say the D-DC ECM with 2 LRM's I fought yesterday with the Trial RS yesterday, while my LRM's could not lock while theirs could. Its a tremendous 'feel' that I abused too with ECM.

Like Doc said, and I am still saying, ECM and what it does and how they made every subsequent change is very, very, unfortunately far from the spirit of Battle Tech. You know that picture of the crying Native? Well basically picture that with Kerensky.

Edited by General Taskeen, 06 June 2013 - 11:01 AM.

[Ngamok]

OneEyed Jack, on 06 June 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

That's just an excuse to be vindictive, and you know it. An arm/leg would have worked as well or better.

I'll give you arm.

[Taemien]

OneEyed Jack, on 06 June 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

Now you're just being stupid. The DDC already gives up 2 energy compared to those variants.

And you're a ******. Please go play house steiner instead. I wouldn't even want you on Liao or Kurita because I actually WANT a competition when CW hits. Not a building humping, monitor licking, lowlife.

See I can attack personally too.

I actually take all that back. Even a ****** wouldn't cry about their ECM being blown off from the LT and thats the real reason for this whining. Since ECM isn't actually blocking any missile weapons, thats just a front for the real reason for this thread. These people are simply whining and crying.

Edited by Taemien, 06 June 2013 - 11:32 AM.

[Livewyr]

HammerMaster, on 06 June 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

Nothing else goes in the CT. Does not make sense. Cripples a missle load out vs the stalker and highlander. Leg if you HAVE to but out of the LT nonetheless.

This is a troll, yes?

One cannot seriously be complaining about the only "nerf" ECM received, making it go to a standardized hardpoint to be slightly more vulnerable than before...




Incidentally- I did burst out laughing at the thought of a mech having to choose between ECM and something..

Edited by Livewyr, 06 June 2013 - 11:20 AM.

[Taemien]

Livewyr, on 06 June 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

This is a troll, yes?

One cannot seriously be complaining about the only "nerf" ECM received, making it go to a standardized hardpoint to be slightly more vulnerable than before...




Incidentally- I did burst out laughing at the thought of a mech having to choose between ECM and something..

Now that I think about it you might be right.

I just tried the configurations... pretty much the only thing you can't mount on the DDC with ECM is a LRM 20 and two LRM15s, or two LRM20s and anything else. You can easily mount 2 LRM 20s, 3 SRM6s, 3 Streaks, 3 LRM15s, ect. These ******** are just whining because the ECM is easy to spot and target. It has NOTHING to do with what missiles can be mounted. Cry a freaking river people.

Edited by Taemien, 06 June 2013 - 11:28 AM.

[Rhent]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Dam Skippy!
Its also why I put ECM in the Legs on TT. Thats were its the least likely to be hit!!! An important piece of equipment like an ECM should not be that easy for the enemy to destroy. That is just stupid! Putting it in a dedicated spot is just not using your brain.

You aren't thinking it through.
-1st) no downside to using ECM (no heat generation, takes up 1 1/2 tons and 2 crit slots thats it). The Atlas DC now has a downside IF you want to boat LRM's, that one limited scenario.
-2nd) being able to place ECM anywhere you want to place it means you cannot target and remove ECM
-3rd) putting ECM in the CT effectively means you have to kill the mech

[Livewyr]

Still trying to determine if Mallan is trolling or not.

[Taemien]

Rhent, on 06 June 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

You aren't thinking it through.
-1st) no downside to using ECM (no heat generation, takes up 1 1/2 tons and 2 crit slots thats it). The Atlas DC now has a downside IF you want to boat LRM's, that one limited scenario.
-2nd) being able to place ECM anywhere you want to place it means you cannot target and remove ECM
-3rd) putting ECM in the CT effectively means you have to kill the mech

Don't even bother reasoning with them. They are just crying because their ECM is getting neutralized and then the little mechs leave them there to be destroyed last while they're lumbering along useless. Its not like they can hit anything with their weapons.

Besides we don't need to argue for the placement of the ECM. There's no way PGI is going to listen to this. Its going to stay where it is.

[Ngamok]

HammerMaster, on 06 June 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

You can't tell me that the stalker is not THE premier assault mech ECM or not. It boats whatever weapons you bring. The altas is much more mixed and the only missle heavy variant now has to do with LESS. Again. if not CT, Leg.

Why not arm?

[IronChance]

You guys are aware this is the COMMAND atlas we're talking about, right? It shouldn't be as potent a frontline weapon as the other atlases or even the stalkers. Did you want it to do everything?

[Budor]

TO THE HEAD I SAY!

[DocBach]

having ECM confined to a single location doesn't balance it. for some reason the mindset is "if it can be destroyed, it must be balanced." Change its missile defeating properties to something more in tune with information warfare (how does being an anti missile system have anything to do with information denial?), and let people put it wherever. And while they are at it, remove the hardpoint restrictions for AMS. Some mechs that are coming out in the future don't have AMS in a side torso, some mount it in the head, some mount it in the arms, whatever.

[Rhent]

DocBach, on 06 June 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

having ECM confined to a single location doesn't balance it. for some reason the mindset is "if it can be destroyed, it must be balanced." Change its missile defeating properties to something more in tune with information warfare (how does being an anti missile system have anything to do with information denial?), and let people put it wherever. And while they are at it, remove the hardpoint restrictions for AMS. Some mechs that are coming out in the future don't have AMS in a side torso, some mount it in the head, some mount it in the arms, whatever.

I run LRM mechs and I rum SSRM mechs. With the inclusion of BAP countering ECM, I'm am 100% fine with the current implementation of ECM. It's perfect as it is now.

[DocBach]

its still primarily used as antimissile - that's the only reason I use it, especially with seismic sensors being introduced. ECM doesn't have a place for information warfare, all it is is a better AMS. Unless of course information warfare's intended depth was solely to have equipment beat each other out so we can employ missiles.

[Deathlike]

Budor, on 06 June 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

TO THE HEAD I SAY!

YOUR HEAD IS TOO SMALL BRO!

Edited by Deathlike, 06 June 2013 - 02:45 PM.

[Caviel]

Rhent, on 06 June 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

-3rd) putting ECM in the CT effectively means you have to kill the mech

I just want to point out that if you take a D-DC down to a stripper pole status (CT, head, and legs), you've removed any combat capability from the mech as it doesn't have any CT hardpoints. Might as well be dead for the minimal use it is at that point. You'd be a slow walking ECM stick.

I'd like it moved to the CT just because it interferes with ammo I store in the LT, although it is easy enough to work around it's not that big of a deal.