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[Goosfraba]

Livewyr, on 06 June 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

I am a competitive player. (Former A Co, MLP from the NASA in WoT for people who know what that translates to.)

And personally, I think that releasing stats on players was one of the worst things that happened to ideas.
(Don't get me wrong.. it was a lot of fun having better stats than just about anyone you argued with.. and using that to dismiss them...but it wasn't good for the community.)

I think personal private stats is enough, and I wouldn't mind a personal private Elo rating to see and compare with friends.. but to make them public is a stupid idea.

But then you would have people posting pics of their Elos.

Edited by Goosfraba, 20 August 2013 - 10:27 AM.

[King Picollo]

It stops being ELO and starts being Ranks. As soon as you bring those in people start to care about it more than the game, I played Halo 3 for years and the Ranks in that used to destroy the games as people tried to use advantages to level up or play badly to de-level for easier competition.

As well as the constant bragging on forums about ranks making people insufferable.

[Corvus Antaka]

I dont think making ELO public is a good idea.

You would crush the egos of all these players that think they are "good"

[PEEFsmash]

Honestly, there aren't that many players who claim to be top competitive but aren't. A bigger problem is that some people, maybe like you, refuse to accept that there really are top competitive players dominating this game that could help conduct meaningful balance discussion.

[Homeless Bill]

Never die, Elo thread. Fight until you become a Feature Suggestion, and then live out your days in obscurity and loneliness.

I really just want to be able to see what my own Elo is. They can talk all they want about "gaming" the system, but think about the ****** logic behind that:

• No one is going to look at their rating and say, "**** it. Time to tank my Elo by going on a losing spree of ridiculous proportions."
  
• Even if some would, they can do that now - it's all simple win/loss.
  
• Worried that people will be able to determine the formula? Who cares? It's not like pre-mades aren't already negating most of what Elo is intended to accomplish. Why would it be a bad thing to know I need to go 15:2 to bump my Elo up another 50 points?

Why am I not allowed to see how good or bad I am? It's hard to get excited for self-improvement when you don't know how good you are or have a set goal in mind.

Still undecided on making it public, though...

[Agent 0 Fortune]

PEEFsmash, on 20 August 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

Honestly, there aren't that many players who claim to be top competitive but aren't. A bigger problem is that some people, maybe like you, refuse to accept that there really are top competitive players dominating this game that could help conduct meaningful balance discussion.

The problem with taking advice from someone at the top is they have a vested interest in remaining at the top, and their opinions and ideas often skewed. I much rather gameplay and balance decisions are made intelligently and analytically based on in-game metrics.

That isn’t so say that there are not some great ideas on the forums, it just that the weighting of those opinions based on an arbitrary value is short sighted. If an idea has merit it should be easy to present a solid argument regardless of the individual’s elo score.

[Tarrasque]

Homeless Bill, on 20 August 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

Still undecided on making it public, though...

Making it available IS making it public... The minute you give anyone the option, it becomes a requirement from others to take a screen shot or some such lunacy in order to verify that what you say has merit.

I think (despite being a successful mechwarrior) that sort of e-peening would be the end of my play in this game, and likely many others.

[tenderloving]

PEEFsmash, on 20 August 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

Honestly, there aren't that many players who claim to be top competitive but aren't. A bigger problem is that some people, maybe like you, refuse to accept that there really are top competitive players dominating this game that could help conduct meaningful balance discussion.

I'm not a great player.

I find it amusing that so many people are taking this suggestion personal, bringing up "real-life ELO" as if it somehow justifies them sucking at this game if they have an MBA and make 100k a year.

Many game forums have the same problem as this one- people who OBJECTIVELY are terrible at the game don't realize it, and they believe that their opinions on balance and performance should carry as much weight as the guy who actually knows what he's talking about.

[Joseph Mallan]

PEEFsmash, on 20 August 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

Honestly, there aren't that many players who claim to be top competitive but aren't. A bigger problem is that some people, maybe like you, refuse to accept that there really are top competitive players dominating this game that could help conduct meaningful balance discussion.

With as big a ****** as some members are... Public Elo would destroy any sembalence of courtesy.

[tenderloving]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 20 August 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

The problem with taking advice from someone at the top is they have a vested interest in remaining at the top, and their opinions and ideas often skewed.

People at the top have a vested interest in competition. Their opponents are just as smart as they are. No amount of "LOL PPCs need to be buffed" is going to fool the other top players. It's literally impossible for the most competitive players to give themselves an advantage by giving bad feedback.

This is such a silly misconception and I don't understand why it keeps popping up. It's the equivalent of suggesting that NFL players would remove the penalties for face-masking someone if they were given the opportunity.

Edited by tenderloving, 20 August 2013 - 11:57 AM.

[Homeless Bill]

Tarrasque, on 20 August 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Making it available IS making it public... The minute you give anyone the option, it becomes a requirement from others to take a screen shot or some such lunacy in order to verify that what you say has merit.

I think (despite being a successful mechwarrior) that sort of e-peening would be the end of my play in this game, and likely many others.

Not really. If it's not visible to others directly, you have to voluntarily make yours known. And people would have to trust that your'e not just lying. It would be very different than if statistics were really public. Some would demand Elo for every opinion, but they'd be largely ignored.

One thing I don't get is that attitude. Why would you care if a group of people was e-peening out? How does that make the game less fun for you? Maybe the forums become hostile (because they're definitely super civil right now), but what the hell about public stats would drive you to quit? That makes zero sense to me.

[tenderloving]

Homeless Bill, on 20 August 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

One thing I don't get is that attitude. Why would you care if a group of people was e-peening out? How does that make the game less fun for you? Maybe the forums become hostile (because they're definitely super civil right now), but what the hell about public stats would drive you to quit? That makes zero sense to me.

People hate being introduced to direct evidence that other people are better than them, or that they lack in some area. I can always tell myself that I am above average if I never have to see otherwise.

[Villz]

1st game realised 3pv is in the game.
Not playing till they open up hardcore que away from 3pv jokes.
Ps i'm bad @ mwo and i'm carried by team mates and ppc gauss.

[Hexenhammer]

I'm not sure I see how ELO scores relates to conducting better balance discussions.

How about you explain that to us.

[GingerBang]

Villz, on 17 August 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Ranked and unranked que k go.

once you get to a certain ELO it should lock you out of the unranked que to stop ppl trying to "farm" noobs

so you can never, ever be allowed to have fun again with bad builds. gotchya. No fun allowed in MWO, because we all have to be competing for the highest ELO.

[Homeless Bill]

Hexenhammer, on 20 August 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

I'm not sure I see how ELO scores relates to conducting better balance discussions.

How about you explain that to us.

The argument is that PGI would know who to listen to. They'd stop doing stupid **** like nerfing machine guns because bads whine about it.

I don't particularly buy the argument because PGI doesn't really listen to anyone; PGI does what they want, and I really don't think player opinion has much weight in their decision-making at all.

[Budor]

tenderloving, on 20 August 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

People hate being introduced to direct evidence that other people are better than them, or that they lack in some area. I can always tell myself that I am above average if I never have to see otherwise.

This is a honest statement, if i ever saw one here

[Iskareot]

Chavette, on 18 August 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Thats a brilliant idea!!!

ahhaha no doubt this is good