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[Primetimex]

All the best in game bishop - I been playing this game since November (signed up Founder's since July) - and still enjoy it every now and then with my clan mates and friends in-game.

I wish that PGI would address sync-dropping, since a 4-man can't carry 4 other pugs versus a co-ordinated 8-man sync drops.

When you're just one minute in a match and already a mech in the other lance gets dropped - you know that you'll be in for a rough time!

[PanzerMagier]

150 ping shouldn't phase you.

I play really well and my ping is usually 300+

There's a lot of systems making sure that this game is as real time as is.
HOST STATE REWIND being one of them.

Trial mechs suck. BAD.
Get your own mech.
Watch some video guides or join with a group to help you sort out how to build your mech.
You're more than welcome to send me an invite ingame, I'll be happy to show you the ropes. give you advice on what mechs to buy how to build and play MWO.

Gl.

[Primetimex]

Panzer lives up to his namesake he rolls over the enemies on the battlefield just like a Panzer!

Problem with Trial mechs is - as soon as veteran players see them - they will be the ones most likely to be targeted first!

[Aym]

scJazz, on 11 June 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

Couple of things to ponder...
at some point you will own 3 different Atlai.

The XL330 in the X-5 is PERFECT for those Atlas configurations that use XL engines. They all call for XL325 because that is where you get the extra HS slot (275, 300, 325, etc) at 0.5 tons heavier the XL330 is nearly the same thing. The XL300 in the JR7-F© is also the standard XL engine for an Atlas! Interesting!

So for 4450 MC (5050 w/Bays) you can basically get two neat zippy mechs that you might enjoy riding. One which gives a CBill bonus the other an XP Bonus. Along with that you get two XL Engines would cost 10.3M CB to buy. However, most importantly in the case of the JR7-F© you get an XL300 engine you can sell for 2,450,000 CB. Make your first purchase the AS7-K which comes with an XL300 engine. Because you already have the Jenner's engine available for sale the extra "expensiveness" of this Atlas is much reduced at about 11m CB.

It is less expensive to just straight up MC purchase the Atlas (Atlai) than the above scheme? Yes, more or less. However, there is no way to just plain buy CBills. What the above scheme does do is give you two extra mechs you might like to take out of a spin and avoids grinding CBills for XL Engines. If you wait to make these purchases during a Sale of either design well so much the better for you.
NOTE: Dear Interwebz Mastah who is even now grabbing a spreadsheet and preparing to tear apart this post. Please don't... go use your Forum Fu-Kung over in Gameplay Balance. The goal here is to strike a balance between real $$$ and the horrific grind of purchasing and kitting 3 Atlai. While this plan isn't min/max it is balanced!

I am no interwebz mastah, and I have no spreadsheet. I do however know that there is NO, NONE, ZERO, Zip ZILCH NADA good Atlas builds with an XL 300. That was barely the case back in closed beta before double heat sinks were introduced and it is an absolute certainty now. Additionally I can not think of a single good (or even tolerably ok build that isn't a HUGE waste of your c-bills, your time, and your team mates time) that uses an XL 325 or 330. There is a SINGLE build that uses the RS with a large XL engine to get 4 ppcs and a gauss rifle. I'm almost certain it's a max size engine (xl360) and that is such a gimmick build and requires so much practice aiming that I can't recommend it to anyone knew ever. That being said the XL300 engine is a great engine for many, many mechs, however none of them are Atlai, and the XL330 is... well, I can only think of putting it in a Cicada for now, it's really not a versatile engine at all.
Please don't recommend XL engines in Atlai, their shoulders are ALWAYS the first things to be targeted because they're so easy to target, they effectively remove a HUGE chunk of the weapons on the mech, and all the stock mechs keep their ammo there so it's a darn easy way to drop an Atlas. Add an XL engine in to that mix and you'll be constantly disappointed with your games.

[IrrelevantFish]

Bishop113, on 11 June 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

... for me if I am dying for every kill I get that is not very fun so I like to have a high K/D just for that reason alone.

This is an all too common and unhelpful mindset for a pure PvP game. The truth is that PvP is a zero-sum game. If you're a total badass that dominates every match, then there are a bunch of players who have to put up with being ROFL-stomped. A far more appropriate (and enjoyable) attitude is to mourn having a K/D or W/L over 1.0 because it means you aren't facing challenging enough opponents.

And if you ever manage to maintain this more appropriate attitude, please tell me how, because I sure can't.

[Bishop113]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to do well. If you can enjoy a game purely on "the ride" so to speak and not on the destination then more power to you but I am not a "ride" type of gamer, I like results, I like stats, I like upgrades and rewards; this is why I've always liked Call of Duty over Counter strike or halo, Call of duty gives you progression, it rewards you for winning in a way that most shooters don't and the better K/D you have the more reward you get(My K/D in MW2 before I quit COD forever was 2.5.)

Challenge is fine and this game is challenging every single match I play because of the methodical pace of it all, if it were fast and snappy chances are I could do very well very easily! Then! It would be boring. But a 2:1 K/D is a good flat number to go by, you're not too good but you're not bad either, you die some but at least you get 2 kills for every death.

Believe me I wish I could enjoy a game like this purely on the act of playing it and not care about stats, I would be such a happier person if I could ha!

Edited by Bishop113, 12 June 2013 - 01:14 AM.

[warner2]

Bishop, I'm not sure if you're still using trial mechs or have bought your own now. If you're still on trials, have you seen this thread: http://mwomercs.com/...ng-trial-mechs/

Edited by warner2, 12 June 2013 - 01:35 AM.

[Bishop113]

Nope, I'm running my own hunchback now.

[Bishop113]

My K/D overall is 1.91 now lol, Hunchback only K/D is 2.60 XD

Putting your guys's advice to fantastic use!

[Lan]

Making us proud, we're here to help.

Always nice to have feedback on development. Are you saving up for the Atlas or will you go all Hunchback on three chassi? Elite and masters?

Quick repeat from earlier advice: Don't forget to take a shot at everything and get those assists, if you get a lrm boat on your team you can get spot assists just by holding a enemy as your target. Money, money, etc..

[Bishop113]

I'm going to work towards the Atlas, I really want to master that big bad puppy more than anything. I was thinking of buying a Centurion they seem fun but I'm going to at least get a single Atlas first even if I can't elite it.

I have been taking that advice very seriously, I tag almost every enemy in every game I play, I always have at least 3-4 assists depending on my kills, I just played two matches and got I think it was 5 kills in one match and 4 in the other, my K/D is now 2.16 overall hehe.

I'm worked my way up to 5.3m Cbills so I'm on my way to that Atlas RS.

One other question not entirely related, I've been told the Madcat and Vulture aren't coming to MWO because they're in a different era? I'm curious if the Thor is also in a different era cause the Thor, Atlas, Madcat and Vulture are my favorites and we only have one in this game.

Oh and can anyone link me to a description of what the community warfare thing is going to be, I've read a bit about it in the past but what I read was real confusing and vague.

[Buckminster]

I wouldn't buy the Centurion - just save your beans for the Atlas. Especially since you are already running a Hunch, the Cent is more of a sidestep.

The Clan stuff is still a ways down the road. The rumor mill is that it'll come about 9 months after official launch, so it'll probably be next summer before the Clan stuff hits.

[scJazz]

Aym, on 11 June 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

I am no interwebz mastah, and I have no spreadsheet. I do however know that there is NO, NONE, ZERO, Zip ZILCH NADA good Atlas builds with an XL 300. That was barely the case back in closed beta before double heat sinks were introduced and it is an absolute certainty now. Additionally I can not think of a single good (or even tolerably ok build that isn't a HUGE waste of your c-bills, your time, and your team mates time) that uses an XL 325 or 330. There is a SINGLE build that uses the RS with a large XL engine to get 4 ppcs and a gauss rifle. I'm almost certain it's a max size engine (xl360) and that is such a gimmick build and requires so much practice aiming that I can't recommend it to anyone knew ever. That being said the XL300 engine is a great engine for many, many mechs, however none of them are Atlai, and the XL330 is... well, I can only think of putting it in a Cicada for now, it's really not a versatile engine at all.
Please don't recommend XL engines in Atlai, their shoulders are ALWAYS the first things to be targeted because they're so easy to target, they effectively remove a HUGE chunk of the weapons on the mech, and all the stock mechs keep their ammo there so it's a darn easy way to drop an Atlas. Add an XL engine in to that mix and you'll be constantly disappointed with your games.

Thank you for your opinion... there are XL using Atlai over in MechSpecs so there it is... now... go spend some time over in Gameplay Balance yelling at Paul!

TYVM

[Modo44]

scJazz, on 12 June 2013 - 05:05 AM, said:

here are XL using Atlai over in MechSpecs so there it is...

Nobody says you can not troll with that, just do not expect to live long. You can get a speedy Atlas safely by using Endo Steel.

[Lan]

Peace brothers, new player help forum remember?

Bishop, regarding the RS model. One particular weakness and strength, is that all the energy hardpoints are in the arms. Loose the arms and it's down to one ballistic and one missile point in the side torso. It is not a good zombie chassi but it is a versatile Atlas, probably the best in terrain given the arm actuators and ability to house four lasers.

[Revorn]

Guess you dont need a Vulture Bishop, you are rocking atm. Saw you today ingame and i would say, you performed verry well in my Eyes.

Play a bit and your ELO matches you together and against with some great Players, and i guess,you will like the Figths in High Elo-Range.

[scJazz]

Lan, on 12 June 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

Peace brothers, new player help forum remember?

Bishop, regarding the RS model. One particular weakness and strength, is that all the energy hardpoints are in the arms. Loose the arms and it's down to one ballistic and one missile point in the side torso. It is not a good zombie chassi but it is a versatile Atlas, probably the best in terrain given the arm actuators and ability to house four lasers.

Alright fine... peace... I wasn't suggesting he should do XL his Atlas which is what kinda ticked me off. I was pointing out ways to avoid the godawful grind if using MC was a thought. I added the X-5 section as a hedge.

Here my post is shortened to the following...

JR7-F(C) = 1450 MC = 2450000 CB OR 1 MC = 1689.655172413793 CB (insane precision included because sure as heck if I wrote 1690 CB or 1689 CB someone would have to correct me).

[Demosthones]

bishop, on 09 June 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

I don't know, this is just really frustrating, not having bot matches, a single player or at the very least a game mode with respawns and repairing, every match is just me walking, fighting for 5 minutes and then watching as everyone else plays when I get my *** handed to me. I stick with my team as best as possible, I focus fire as best as I can and my end result is always disappointing.

It sucks that you are not having a good time.. I would suggest looking up the Templars in the merc page [color="#b27204"]http://mwomercs.com/...ool-new-blood/.[/color]


We have an in depth initiate program where we pair you 1 on 1 with a Knight Mentor. We use ventrilo, so you would need a mic of some kind. These guys know thier stuff and take a lot of personal time to help out guys just like you. Also when you play with us you will win more than you lose.


We have a heck of a community and doing the puggin thing is I agree no fun. We have guys that get on every day like me, but we also cater to the more casual player. As long as you can finish the initiate prgram in a reasonable amount of time (talk this out with your KM), we have a spot for you. Hope to see you out there.

[Moomtazz]

scJazz, on 12 June 2013 - 05:05 AM, said:

Thank you for your opinion... there are XL using Atlai over in MechSpecs so there it is... now... go spend some time over in Gameplay Balance yelling at Paul!

TYVM

I have to agree with avoiding XL in an Atlas. The STD 300, 325, or 350 are what most go with and are not too expensive.

About the 300XL engine. I would never recommend selling one back. I use a 300XL in some of my favorite builds, Yen Lo Wang, various Catapults and Cataphracts, and Jenners. It is an extremely useful engine and I only have one of them right now, so I am constantly having to switch it between mechs.

[Bishop113]

Revorn, on 12 June 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Guess you dont need a Vulture Bishop, you are rocking atm. Saw you today ingame and i would say, you performed verry well in my Eyes.

Play a bit and your ELO matches you together and against with some great Players, and i guess,you will like the Figths in High Elo-Range.

Wow running into a lot of forum members in matches lol, I guess I'll have to watch my back!

I lost all my weapons in a match earlier and had to ram a Cicada off a cliff! That was fun.