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[HammerMaster]

Nothing else goes in the CT. Does not make sense. Cripples a missle load out vs the stalker and highlander. Leg if you HAVE to but out of the LT nonetheless.

[Joseph Mallan]

Agreed. It fit so perfectly under my engine in the CT.

[Rhent]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

Agreed. It fit so perfectly under my engine in the CT.

Which means the only way to remove ECM from the DC is to essentially kill the mech. Been there, done that, it blows. ECM has little to no draw back, it should have to have a slot outside of the CT so people can actually remove it.

[HammerMaster]

You can't tell me that the stalker is not THE premier assault mech ECM or not. It boats whatever weapons you bring. The altas is much more mixed and the only missle heavy variant now has to do with LESS. Again. if not CT, Leg.

[Joseph Mallan]

Rhent, on 06 June 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

Which means the only way to remove ECM from the DC is to essentially kill the mech. Been there, done that, it blows. ECM has little to no draw back, it should have to have a slot outside of the CT so people can actually remove it.

Dam Skippy!
Its also why I put ECM in the Legs on TT. Thats were its the least likely to be hit!!! An important piece of equipment like an ECM should not be that easy for the enemy to destroy. That is just stupid! Putting it in a dedicated spot is just not using your brain.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 06 June 2013 - 10:13 AM.

[Damocles69]

No thanks. Enjoy your nerf. Moving on

[WildeKarde]

I've mixed feelings as I appreciate the ECM when it was CT but agree it is more of a bonus to the mech having it there. I do think the LT is a bad location on the atlas simply as it's where it has the most hardpoints, I feel as though RT would be a better choice meaning you choose it or your AC20 for example.

[HammerMaster]

Yes possibly the other torso, but come on. NOTHING else mounts CT. There is No CT hardpoint. Empty space.

Edited by HammerMaster, 06 June 2013 - 10:22 AM.

[One Medic Army]

HammerMaster, on 06 June 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

You can't tell me that the stalker is not THE premier assault mech ECM or not. It boats whatever weapons you bring. The altas is much more mixed and the only missle heavy variant now has to do with LESS. Again. if not CT, Leg.

The stalker does not have ECM.
Pretty much every single mech that mounts an ECM does so in a side torso, Atlas is just following the crowd.

Also if you're mounting enough LRMs in your LTorso to need all 12 crit slots I hate you and will gladly kill your atlas to prove how wrong you are for LRMboating in it.

[Unbound Inferno]

One would think that the real alternative might not be the CT or leg here.

The Atlas AFIK is the only mech that mounts the AMS on the arms. Wouldn't it make more sense then to have the ECM in one as well?

It would solve the problem of the LT missile space while still keeping the ECM in a viable spot to be shot off to eliminate it for others; heck, make it easier to get rid of actually.

[CygnusX7]

Thats where I put BAP.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ccd4c018bc25f4b

[shellashock]

actually the poor man's ecm aka bap fits in center torso just fine. so there can be something placed in the ct. Unless you are talking about hardpoints of course.
Edit: beat me to it cygnus.

Edited by shellashock, 06 June 2013 - 10:30 AM.

[General Taskeen]

Joseph Mallan, on 06 June 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Dam Skippy!
Its also why I put ECM in the Legs on TT. Thats were its the least likely to be hit!!! An important piece of equipment like an ECM should not be that easy for the enemy to destroy. That is just stupid! Putting it in a dedicated spot is just not using your brain.

Well unfortunately ECM is far from the spirit of Battle Tech itself and the spirit of mech creation (placing stuff where you want it), that it may be a lost cause at this point.

But then again, the prophets warned of these times.

Edited by General Taskeen, 06 June 2013 - 10:30 AM.

[Damocles69]

Jake Hendricks, on 06 June 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

I've mixed feelings as I appreciate the ECM when it was CT but agree it is more of a bonus to the mech having it there. I do think the LT is a bad location on the atlas simply as it's where it has the most hardpoints, I feel as though RT would be a better choice meaning you choose it or your AC20 for example.

My god! You have to make *gasp* a CHOICE *DUN DUN DAAAAA* when choosing an atlas now. Do you want to be an invisible brawler(DDC) sniper(RS) dubble LRM 20 boat(D) or jus bad (K)

All joking aside, I think this is good for Atlai. Now the DDC isn't outright netter at most things than the other variants

[Ngamok]

Jake Hendricks, on 06 June 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

I've mixed feelings as I appreciate the ECM when it was CT but agree it is more of a bonus to the mech having it there. I do think the LT is a bad location on the atlas simply as it's where it has the most hardpoints, I feel as though RT would be a better choice meaning you choose it or your AC20 for example.

People would complain about the AC/20 as well.

Edit: Doesn't the AC/20 and the ECM fit there anyways?

Edited by Ngamok, 06 June 2013 - 10:37 AM.

[DocBach]

they should like, just change the effects of ECM so it like, didnt need 50 counters and dedicated HP because down the line a lot of stock ECM mechs don't have it in the LT.....

[Joseph Mallan]

General Taskeen, on 06 June 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Well unfortunately ECM is far from the spirit of Battle Tech itself and the spirit of mech creation (placing stuff where you want it), that it may be a lost cause at this point.

But then again, the prophets warned of these times.

Dude, It took a while but they added a HP for ECM. I have no problem with that. But for the love of all that's sacred, put id somewhere smart! And heavily protected. or at the very least, somewhere with fer weapon hard points. This placement was specifically to o the dumbest placement possible.

DocBach, on 06 June 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

they should like, just change the effects of ECM so it like, didnt need 50 counters and dedicated HP because down the line a lot of stock ECM mechs don't have it in the LT.....

Thank You Doc!

[Jman5]

There are only a few LRM with artemis combos that it messes with. You can still do something quite reasonable with dual LRM 10 + 1 LRM 15 with artemis. I feel like that is a decently balanced compromise. If you want 40 or 45 missiles either unequip artemis, or unequip ECM.

[OneEyed Jack]

I agree with CT, but for different reasons. When I see an LRM DDC, I want to kill them. Even more when they're on my team then the enemy.

I just think it should be CT so it's not penalizing the mech on crit slots. Numerous things can be fit int he side torso, but nothing else the mech can carry* besides ammo (assuming the player isn't an ***** with SHS) can even fit in the CT. Nothing. So they're taking the mech with the tightest crit space requirements in the game, and the lowest likelihood of Endo/FF to make use of random crit space, and effectively removing 2 crit slots.

That's harsh, and there's no way it can be supported from a purely objective viewpoint.

[Edit]
(*ignoring BAP, since it's largely wasted tonnage/crits when combined with ECM)

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 06 June 2013 - 10:46 AM.

[Ngamok]

OneEyed Jack, on 06 June 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

I agree with CT, but for different reasons. When I see an LRM DDC, I want to kill them. Even more when they're on my team then the enemy.

I just think it should be CT so it's not penalizing the mech on crit slots. Numerous things can be fit int he side torso, but nothing else the mech can carry besides ammo (assuming the player isn't an ***** with SHS) can even fit in the CT. Nothing. So they're taking the mech with the tightest crit space requirements in the game, and the lowest likelihood of Endo/FF to make use of random crit space, and effectively removing 2 crit slots.

That's harsh, and there's no way it can be supported from a purely objective viewpoint.

Yes it can. It's been pointed out already that it's in a location that can be destroyed without having to destroy the entire mech to neutralize it.