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[Sasha Volkova]

Thontor, on 15 June 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I doubt it.

I get the impression that "hardcore mode" is just PGI's label for "forced first person mode"

I do believe that was implied within my own post.

[Caladan Nix]

OvenRude, on 14 June 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Their PR is very disappointing and I think their current biggest downfall. They need to hire a professional firm. When people posted that the jump jet effect made them feel queezy, and Niko Snow posting a picture of a barf bag is a prime example.

Also their balancing is done with a sledgehammer and leads to some things slipping through play testing that quite frankly, should never ever make it through.

So you want relatively honest goofballs with good intentions to be replaced with uncaring, unscrupulous suits who will give even more vague answers during Q&A's and do this game whatever MTV tells them to do?

Edited by Caladan Nix, 15 June 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Thontor, on 15 June 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I get the impression that "hardcore mode" is just PGI's label for "forced first person mode"

0okami, on 15 June 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

I do believe that was implied within my own post.

I do believe that "Hardcore Mode" is based around 1PV as the anchoring point, and is just as much a "forced first person mode" as saying that to eat a hamburger is "forced meat-eating mode." Come on, here.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

So do the volunteer mods draw straws to decide which one is going to suckle from the teet of the devs before coming into official threads to defend them at all costs?

Just curious.

[Jakob Knight]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 15 June 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

So do the volunteer mods draw straws to decide which one is going to suckle from the teet of the devs before coming into official threads to defend them at all costs?

Just curious.

I think that's a bit uncalled for. A person is perfectly capable of having an opinion themselves, and Mods are players too. I might not agree with some points raised by a Mod here, but unless there is clear proof they are being directed by the Devs in what they say, a stupid slur like this is over the line.

[Sasha Volkova]

Prosperity Park, on 15 June 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

I do believe that "Hardcore Mode" is based around 1PV as the anchoring point, and is just as much a "forced first person mode" as saying that to eat a hamburger is "forced meat-eating mode." Come on, here.

I think you are missing my point by miles now... I will just be going since people here dont bother getting into discussions when they start but instead apparently prefer to interrupt midways and get everything twisted upside down :b

Edited by 0okami, 15 June 2013 - 09:00 AM.

[Morang]

Bryan Ekman, on 14 June 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Morang: When will you give us more freedom in Training Grounds? Selecting a map is the obvious need, selecting target mechs is possible, but what I want to be able to do is selecting camouflage pattern and colors for target mechs to evaluate camo performance before buying. You don't need that if you want fancy colors, but to create working camo a field test is needed.
A: Map selection is coming very soon. The rest is very granular and we’ll need to evaluate player feedback before adding/changing how it works.

Thanks for answer, but... Feedback? What feedback? You expect someone OBJECTING for being able to select more parameters for training environment? Feedback about WHAT if no one can give feedback on any functionality you haven't implemented?

[Gremlich Johns]

Quote

3PV
Viper69 : If we are going to be able to choose to play against people using 3PV or not to, how are you going to address the then fractured and smaller groups that then have to wait in queue for a match that meets their perimeters?
A: There will be two modes Normal and Hardcore (FPV) only. We anticipate most players will play the first mode leaving the hardcore mode for the those wantin a challenge. 3PV will be going onto test servers in the next 60 days and we’ll see how it goes from there.

I believe they should have caveated "most players" to be "most casual players".

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 15 June 2013 - 09:02 AM.

[LordBraxton]

WOW so 3rd person is now NORMAL

and the current game will be considered

'hardcore' mode

go look at every other game with hardcore\historical modes

they struggle to maintain a playerbase while everyone plays normal\arcade modes

thanks PGI

you flat out LIED to us (grognards) to get founders money

then pulled the bait and switch for mass appeal

really there is nothing harsh enough I can say about this

I spent money on this game with PAUL's own words in mind

see my sig

PGI is a dishonest developer end of story

[Felicitatem Parco]

Morang, on 15 June 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

Thanks for answer, but... Feedback? What feedback? You expect someone OBJECTING for being able to select more parameters for training environment? Feedback about WHAT if no one can give feedback on any functionality you haven't implemented?

I think he means that the bits and pieces that get added-in over time will have to be reviewed by the players as they are introduced, and then our feedback will be utilized in determining how things will progress.

[Braggart]

Prosperity Park, on 15 June 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

I think he means that the bits and pieces that get added-in over time will have to be reviewed by the players as they are introduced, and then our feedback will be utilized in determining how things will progress.

If you think that PGI is gonna spend all that time adding 3rd person, only throw it away in the end.......................

[NeoFighter]

LordBraxton, on 15 June 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

WOW so 3rd person is now NORMAL

and the current game will be considered

'hardcore' mode

go look at every other game with hardcore\historical modes

they struggle to maintain a playerbase while everyone plays normal\arcade modes

thanks PGI

you flat out LIED to us (grognards) to get founders money

then pulled the bait and switch for mass appeal

really there is nothing harsh enough I can say about this

I spent money on this game with PAUL's own words in mind

see my sig

PGI is a dishonest developer end of story

How I feel right now too....I do believe this is what is going to happen in the end....i think this is what most people defending this decision aren't realizing....we are gonna loose our game to to the masses of "non-sim heads" playing normal mode, forcing us to eventually compete there.

IMO they should be calling 3PV EASY MODE and FPV NORMAL MODE to try and appease that mistake. Nobody wants to compete in easy mode and no one cares about hardcore mode.

Edited by NeoFighter, 15 June 2013 - 09:21 AM.

[MoonfireSpam]

Sad face. First person isn't "hardcore" it's the whole point of the series. Hate to think of the wasted dev time on 3PV that could've been used on anything else. How bout call 1st person "normal" and 3rd person "[REDACTED] mode".

How bout using the 3PV dev time to implement ejection animations on death and everyone can forget 3PV was ever on the cards.

Edit: I do appreciate the dev posts and appearances on NGNG etc. 3PV is just that crappy.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 15 June 2013 - 09:21 AM.
edited per Code of Conduct

[Felicitatem Parco]

Can we please be a little less insulting?

There is a dedicated Discussion Thread in the Comstar Focus Group subforum for the implementation of 3PV. If you would like to discuss ways to implement 3PV, then that's a good place to do so. If there is anything you can think of that can preserve the game's integrity IN THE PRESENCE OF 3PV, which is coming (Brace Yourselves), then please present your ideas; listing out some criteria that will allow the coexistence of 3PV and MW:O in a productive manner is a great way to let the Devs know how you think the game can grow. Please don't use the thread to say "ditch 3PV," but rather use it to express your ideas for integrating it successfully. Successful integration precludes problem mitigation.

[Azantia]

Prosperity Park, on 15 June 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Can we please be a little less insulting?

There is a dedicated Discussion Thread in the Comstar Focus Group subforum for the implementation of 3PV. If you would like to discuss ways to implement 3PV, then that's a good place to do so. If there is anything you can think of that can preserve the game's integrity IN THE PRESENCE OF 3PV, which is coming (Brace Yourselves), then please present your ideas; listing out some criteria that will allow the coexistence of 3PV and MW:O in a productive manner is a great way to let the Devs know how you think the game can grow. Please don't use the thread to say "ditch 3PV," but rather use it to express your ideas for integrating it successfully. Successful integration precludes problem mitigation.

So in other words, if you don't want 3pv, don't post feedback. We don't care what effects it has on the game. T he only feedback that matters, is fanboi/PGI defense force feedback.

Edited by Azantia, 15 June 2013 - 09:38 AM.

[Jabilo]

It seems to me that whatever Brian said I would have seen the same dozen people unhappy.

Previously he has been accused of ducking questions.

Well, he answered the questions on 3PV and he gave you honest answers. You may not have liked the answers, but at least he gave it to you straight!

Edited by Jabilo, 15 June 2013 - 10:02 AM.

[Hellen Wheels]

Caladan Nix, on 15 June 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

So you want relatively honest goofballs with good intentions to be replaced with uncaring, unscrupulous suits who will give even more vague answers during Q&A's and do this game whatever MTV tells them to do?

"Relatively honest??" No, either one is honest, or one is not.

"Uncaring, Unscrupulous suits??" That's a false dilemma. There are other options.

Goofballs? Yes, I think we can all agree on that. Anyone who would tackle another MW iteration is a goofball of the highest order.

Personally, I think Eckman et al. have simply bitten off more than they can chew, and can't (or won't) admit it lest they lose face. They strike me as having good intentions, but lack the background to actually pull it off. Unfortunately, we, the customers, get chewed over and over and over as a result.

HINT: "Chewed" rhymes with another word. Can you guess it? It's the word that describes us founders. As in, out of our money, because Eckman et al. induced us to invest based on promises that they now clearly have no intent of fulfilling.

Edited by Hellen Wheels, 15 June 2013 - 10:49 AM.

[BlueSanta]

Pando, on 14 June 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Yes, the loud angry 3,000 at most represents 480,000 people. Wonderful logic.

Way to pull numbers out of your butt.

[BlueSanta]

Wieland, on 15 June 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Interesting, Phase 1 will introduce stuff that is useless until Phase 2 is introduced.

I noticed that. Maybe he got it backwards and didn't care to proofread.

[Grimmnyr]

Thontor, on 15 June 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I doubt it.

I get the impression that "hardcore mode" is just PGI's label for "forced first person mode"

It is an optional mode that you don't have to play, just like 3PV should be optional. You are backwards, the majority of current players do not want to be forced into 3PV mode, it is only the shooter kids who don't even play this game yet who are screaming for 3PV on every forum except this one.