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[Faceless Priest]

these guys are the reason online gaming communities have a bad rap

[Silent]

Sekkoutai, on 09 June 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

Did you really just pull out a screenshot from 11 years ago?

Probably scrambled for his floppy full of screenshots to get that burn out there.

[fil5000]

HighlandWolf, on 09 June 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Doesnt matter what they do, cant have much of an impact in an environment such as this..equal numbers or whatever in this match system..in eve online they have the advantage of sending tons of players to one location with tons of ships to respawn everytime..constantly..here, no way would they make it..i'd be surprised if they could even come up with a good battle plan to win 4 on 4 or 8 on 8 or whatever.

Nope, no way am i worried about goons...and i'd welcome them to try..i believe they'd get squashed by the real players in this game..the true mechwarriors

Said this already, but goons tend to win because of coordination rather than just swarming. I've been in BLOPS games where we've decided as a team to all take the M60 with big ammo and NEVER STOP FIRING which we've still won because we've a) capped the objectives while the opposing team was kill hunting and played as an actual team that helped each other out. Strength of numbers is not the only gimmick here.

Although I wish I'd played Eve now, as how angry some people apparently are about what happened there is fantastic.

Also, I hope it's going to be possible to put a toothbrush moustache on my Atlas - if we're being compared to Hitler we may as well look the part.

[Egomane]

Sekkoutai, on 09 June 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

Did you really just pull out a screenshot from 11 years ago?

Yes, he did! I thought for a moment I should post an equally old picture that shows a nearly eradicated federated suns, but decided against it. Didn't want to destroy his delusions. Poor guy!

[Supraluminal]

fil5000, on 09 June 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

Although I wish I'd played Eve now, as how angry some people apparently are about what happened there is fantastic.

This is the part of Goon psychology that so many people fail to understand, to their ultimate undoing. You guys feed on the tears and impotent rage of the sore loser, the overbearing roleplayer, and the incompetent. It's like some kind of depressing Greek tragedy; if they would just not give you guys the satisfaction you wouldn't prey on them so remorselessly.

[Youngblood]

Supraluminal, on 09 June 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

Not sure if you're serious here, but the SA clans in WoT are NDP, SGLE, and STUG. They also used to have MS-W, but that imploded. They've historically controlled most/all of western and central Europe. Not by NEFARIOUS MEANS as so many terrible incompetents tend to claim, but, as with Eve and other games, because they're a large, well-organized group. (Well, most of the time; judging by the SA WoT thread lately they're having a little bit of an internal tiff at the moment!)

Thank you.

[fil5000]

You should hear us talking about the clan forums. That place is a GOLDMINE of hilarity. Well, it's mostly a goldmine of people explaining at length why they should be allowed clan tech without any sort of balancing factor other than tonnage and people who think they're literally Clanners.

[black oak]

fil5000, on 09 June 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

played as an actual team that helped each other out. Strength of numbers is not the only gimmick here.

This is the part I don't think others "get". The ability to co-ordinate 9000+ members, to motivate them and keep them going *IS* going to translate over to MW:O very well, thank you!

It has been my experience that zerging will only get you so far. Goons would *NOT* be so good at EO if all they did was "zerg rush" to the last man. They are a large, diverse community with a metric ****-tonne of organizational ability. Since MW:O is going to (HOPEFULLY) encompass "role" warfare, expect hard fights against 10bux or whatever they are calling themselves here. Just because they have a reputation for fighting "en mass" that doesn't mean they don't have people capable of fighting with tactical and strategic awareness. Thinking that way will do more to ensure *their* victories than "yours"...

[Supraluminal]

Oh hey, Black Oak, just noticed your location. I'm also in Ithaca. Upstate NY hippie utopia BT enthusiast hi-five!

[black oak]

Supraluminal, on 09 June 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

Oh hey, Black Oak, just noticed your location. I'm also in Ithaca. Upstate NY hippie utopia BT enthusiast hi-five!

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[Riptor]

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In theory, they could split 96 of their 100 guys into 8 different Merc units and have them assault 8 times as many worlds as your 12 guys and accomplish many of the same goals, though.

That might be the case but remember that each of them have to defend their planets individually, players from other goon swarm merc units wont be able to rush to their side to help protect their planets. In EVE if you attack one of their stations you have to deal with the entire swarm, here? Its still only 12 guys.

Means its still 12 of them vs 12 of someone elses merc unit.

Thats also the reason why we will see many many smaller merc factions be able to keep/defend their planets successfull.. its not like this is an exclusive goon thing.

And honestly if they are good enough players then why the hell not? As long as they dont cheat in any way or form its fair game. Besides, since mercs will quasi fight for their choosen factions the goonswarm will have more enemys then they could ever have in eve striking at all fronts and everytime its 12 vs 12.

Plus they will also have to deal with house players from rival factions. If they can hold off that many people.. well congrats.

I think thats pretty fair in the end.

[Sinitron]

The Goons will probably do well for themselves. If playing against unorganized players, they could probably come up with a few hard-to-beat team compositions... or just troll everyone with rainbow swaybacks. The 'zerging' of EVE Online was largely due to how long it takes to skill up for better ships - here, it just depends on how they work out starters, and actual player skill.

[Tarquinn]

Goons? In my Liao?

[Sinitron]

Nay, 'dongs' in your 'buttes'.

[Ratzap]

So much rubbish in such a short amount of time in this thread. Statements of what the CC stands for that looks very much made up on the spot and don't make fun of the snakes because they worship Bushido? Are you nuts? That's half the fun of joining a different house so you can rag on the snakes for being daft.

Also so many people who've never met a goon posting negatively, shame on you! Since when do you base your decisions and views on heresay? I played EVE for 8 years now and fought both against and with the goons (the Delve invasion was the best dispite the lag, singing FCs and constant fun). I would have joined them if I hadn't been a pubbie (never bothered with an SA account). And the zerging myth again, have you met a recent goon fleet? You know once their pilots caught up in SP terms any zerging going on was because they could, not because they had to.

They have a superb community going, they're always game for a fight and they'll happily do anything which might give them an edge - perfect fit for the CC in my opinion. I'd love to see mittens and the gang in here.

If you're all serious about honour and bushido stuff, you might want to switch to the kuri's cos you don't belong here.

Edited by Ratzap, 09 June 2012 - 07:58 AM.

[bawbaw]

We have decided that we did not take our actions far enough in EVE and are hoping to rectify this right off the start with this fabulous game. As had been stated a number of times in EVE, we were intent on destroying the game play of everyone other than us. This precluded us from destroying the game for one large group though, ourselves. In MWO, we will be ruining the game play of everyone, including our own players. As such, we cannot be blamed for favouritism or unfairness. Please be assured that we will be as miserable as you are.

[Adridos]

Ratzap, on 09 June 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

They have a superb community going, they're always game for a fight and they'll happily do anything which might give them an edge - perfect fit for the CC in my opinion. I'd love to see mittens and the gang in here.

They aren't fit for the CC, because they are a closed community. Maskirovka executes people like that every day.

[Ozric]

this whole topic is standard goons metagame warfare right?

[Sinitron]

btw in case none of you realized it, they're probably laughing at you/us/everything behind your backs already

it's sort of what they do

[bawbaw]

Adridos, on 09 June 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

They aren't fit for the CC, because they are a closed community. Maskirovka executes people like that every day.

You are a silly man. Do you have $10?