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[Victor Morson]

This might be a suggestion, but it's more a suggestion for this forum. Namely because this just keeps coming up:

NOONE CARES HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU DID IN A PUG!!

You aren't proving anything taking your inferior build up against other inferior builds into a busted and invisible ELO match. Nothing.. at.. all. Sure you can get tons of MG damage if the enemy team just ignores you or is too incompetent to find you, it doesn't make them good, people. The same goes for every other thing, in particular when we're talking balance meta and someone chimes in with "See, Large Pulse are great because I did damage! Here's my screenshot!"

Go take your build into a competitive 8-man, or even a 4-man in a PUG and things will not turn out roses for you. It's just the way it is. The bottom line is there are lots of guns out there that do damage, but many don't do it well and you will never, ever get anything close to realistic results if you're fighting random pug games against equally crappy - or even TRIAL - 'mechs.

Oh and one more thing: A really good sniper might inflict less damage than a really bad, say, LBX boat but that concentrated, focused damage where it needs to be still counts for more. So once again, your end of score results mean less than nothing.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

If we had viewable Elo I think it would be acceptable.

But yes, generally no one cares you did 700 damage in an OU mech.

[FupDup]

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY 9001 DAMAGE FLAMER COMMANDO?!!!

[Chavette]

I don't post screens of 1.2k dmg and 5-6 kill games because it happens daily.

When you see someone treating such a pic as if christmas came early, it says alot of him, lol.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Quick everyone get your screenshots out!

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

doubling armor values is the culprit. i even told paul this to his face back during closed beta that once mechs with more hardpoints came out we'd be looking at a problem that devalues mostweapons in favor for a few, he told me i was wrong and i got threatened from the ngng teamspeak with a kick when i tried to argue the point with math.

oh well, right? Might as well ride the wagon till the wheels fall off.


oh and while i'm at it, i'm really getting a lol at ELO in the meantime.



my favorite is when the winning team gg's **** like this.

Edited by Battlecruiser, 23 June 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[Phaesphoros]

Some examples (a screenshot says NOTHING about balance):

Victor Morson, on 23 June 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Sure you can get tons of MG damage if the enemy team just ignores you or is too incompetent to find you, it doesn't make them good, people.

SDR-5K 4 MG 1 MPL (pre-buff, 0.08 dmg/bullet)

Victor Morson, on 23 June 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

The same goes for every other thing, in particular when we're talking balance meta and someone chimes in with "See, Large Pulse are great because I did damage! Here's my screenshot!"

AS7-RS 4 LPL (post-nerf)

Victor Morson, on 23 June 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Oh and one more thing: A really good sniper might inflict less damage than a really bad, say, LBX boat but that concentrated, focused damage where it needs to be still counts for more. So once again, your end of score results mean less than nothing.

... and ...

AntiCitizenJuan, on 23 June 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

If we had viewable Elo I think it would be acceptable.

But yes, generally no one cares you did 700 damage in an OU mech.

JM6-A 2 LB 10-X AC 2 SRM2 2 SRM4 (just yesterday or so)




More examples

Edited by Phaesphoros, 23 June 2013 - 04:25 PM.

[Chavette]

Battlecruiser, on 23 June 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

doubling armor values is the culprit. i even told paul this to his face back during closed beta that once mechs with more hardpoints came out we'd be looking at a problem that devalues mostweapons in favor for a few, he told me i was wrong and i got threatened from the ngng teamspeak with a kick when i tried to argue the point with math.

oh well, right? Might as well ride the wagon till the wheels fall off.


oh and while i'm at it, i'm really getting a lol at ELO in the meantime.



my favorite is when the winning team gg's **** like this.

By your attitude in the chat, you deserve every one of those games.

Edited by Chavette, 23 June 2013 - 04:18 PM.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

Chavette, on 23 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

By your attitude in the chat, you deserve every one of those games.

by your attitude towards me, i can tell you're one of those moral vindication types that rely on subjectivity. good luck with that.

[Ningyo]

Normally getting tons of kills and huge damage just means your opponents and teammates were all crap.

If you have good teammates they will get kills too or weaken enemies so you do less damage before killing.

If you have good enemies but bad teammates they will roflstomp your team and you will end up 1 vs 5 and die in a glorious but short hail of gunfire hopefully taking down 2 of them with you.

That said any game with over 700 damage means you did a good job, heck even 500+ you pulled your weight, but it does not mean you are a great player just better than the random people you were up against.

Now if you have such a game against really good opponents like PEEFsmash, or Phoenixfire55, or Soy or Koreanese then it would be awesome. But normally you see these screenshots with the other team being random names no one has ever heard of.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

yeah nevermind the fact i solod a ppc boat and a d-dc before i ran out of hitpoints, the fact i made 500 damage has nothing to do with the fact that i'm a very competent player.

i'm getting tired of these delusional buttheads, maybe it's about time i stopped talking about abusing the game mechanics and just started doing it because it would certainly solve the majority of my problems.

Edited by Battlecruiser, 23 June 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[Soy]

bow chicka wow wow

[Unbound Inferno]

I'd ask if you want some cheese with that whine, but we got tons of it in the game already.

A comparative effectiveness of anything in particular within the environment of a PUG is valid - so long as that remains the main game style used. As far as I know and understand, PUG gaming is probably the most numerous of games played so far by the majority - so how weapons work within that environment is a valid concern.

If however you are more worried about it being imbalanced in the other teamed atmosphere, perhaps its best to argue to somehow split up the matchmaking so your 4-man teams don't drop with random PUGs. That alone could go a long way towards balancing the disparity between matches many face already.

Edited by Unbound Inferno, 23 June 2013 - 04:35 PM.

[Sephlock]

Xeno Phalcon, on 23 June 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Quick everyone get your screenshots out!

The Blackjack 1X is overpowered, this tiny, cherry picked sample set PROVES it.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

there she is, all i need now is the engine. This is the first time ones been in my garage since the visual changes, and I have to say it looks very good.



soon.©®™( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).exe

Edited by Battlecruiser, 23 June 2013 - 05:02 PM.

[AnnoyingCat]

here's a picture of a cookie
oh wait, i dun have one

[Soy]

Here's a screen shot in ascii form:

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[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

AnnoyingCat, on 23 June 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

here's a picture of a cookie
oh wait, i dun have one

was it that hard?

[El Bandito]

People still think this game is actually competitive? That they have the right to diss the puggers?


Inner Sphere, pls.

[Phaesphoros]

Sephlock, on 23 June 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

The Blackjack 1X is overpowered, this tiny, cherry picked sample set PROVES it.
[pics]

Sample size not small enough, damage not high enough. Fixed that for you: