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[Edustaja]

No Recoil, on 29 August 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

that isn't the point man, they JUST released the Phoenix package and now not even a month later this comes out I know that no one is MAKING me buy it but wtf there could have been some sort of deal where we get if free if you bought the overlord package or something this is just a marketing ploy -.-;.

What's wrong about it being a marketing ploy? You don't get free stuff you didn't pay for?

[Zyfe]

No Recoil, on 29 August 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

that isn't the point man, they JUST released the Phoenix package and now not even a month later this comes out I know that no one is MAKING me buy it but wtf there could have been some sort of deal where we get if free if you bought the overlord package or something this is just a marketing ploy -.-;.

Would you prefer they just don't offer the Saber mechs at all then? I mean, it's just an offer, like the Pheonix pack. Why should you get it for free? Why should you get ANYTHING for free?

Some people...

That said, I'm not spending another dollar on this game until there's some CLEAR IMPROVEMENT, and CLEAR demonstration of what exactly (if anything) is coming in regards to UI2.0 and CW.

My guess is those things are mostly scrapped, so sorry PGI, not buying this one.

[Wintersdark]

No Recoil, on 29 August 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

that isn't the point man, they JUST released the Phoenix package and now not even a month later this comes out I know that no one is MAKING me buy it but wtf there could have been some sort of deal where we get if free if you bought the overlord package or something this is just a marketing ploy -.-;.

You mean like how they're giving us the various stretch goal rewards for free for buying the Phoenix Package?


But yeah, you're right. A company releasing another product for sale after a month... Good god, man, the humanity! The unbridled greed! Why, you'd think making money was important to them!
*blinks*

Seriously, some people just amaze me.

If you don't want to buy it, don't. It won't hurt you, and you'll be able to buy functionally identical mechs for cbills later.

[legionofvega]

PGI is just trying to captialize on the momentum from the original Phoenix pack, which is completely understandable. I think what most people think is that they are going to miss out on the Saber because they just paid $90 for the Overlord and can't raise another $30 before the deal goes away. This I completely understand. I can't fault PGI tho, they are giving free stuff away to encourage peeps to buy the packages, so you can't get mad at them.

My only curiosity is if they are going to do a third package to help us finish the progress bar. I don't see original phoenix sales and saber packages kicking us up to unlocking tier 3...

[BUDFORCE]

Its a bit cheeky if you ask me.

They release a pack, you go for the top whack $80 (£55 ish UK) so you think you got everything.

Then, they release a slight add on to that pack, which you wont get, having already forked out for the best one and want another $30 for it.

...I'll pass, and actually having bought the gold founders package and overlord PP pakage, and now they do this.... It'll put me off next time if I am honest.

Im sure I am not the only one.

[Chronojam]

Edustaja, on 30 August 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

What's wrong about it being a marketing ploy? You don't get free stuff you didn't pay for?

I think the problem is that he didn't get things he did pay for, he hasn't received the upgrade he's more recently paid for, and they're already trying to upsell him on an upgrade to the upgrade that he won't receive until the end of the year -- even if it's on schedule, and even if the game hasn't been made even worse by then. By the time he gets his fancy medium mechs, for all he knows, they might have added a "ghost weights" system that restricts you from having more than two medium mechs per group.

[No Recoil]

BUDFORCE, on 30 August 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

Its a bit cheeky if you ask me.

They release a pack, you go for the top whack $80 (£55 ish UK) so you think you got everything.

Then, they release a slight add on to that pack, which you wont get, having already forked out for the best one and want another $30 for it.

...I'll pass, and actually having bought the gold founders package and overlord PP pakage, and now they do this.... It'll put me off next time if I am honest.

Im sure I am not the only one.

careful man, the PGI/MWO F@n b0ys might hunt you down for speaking ill about there precious game and company, didn't you know free speach is a long dead thing these days...

Edited by No Recoil, 30 August 2013 - 10:53 AM.

[Wintersdark]

BUDFORCE, on 30 August 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

Its a bit cheeky if you ask me.

They release a pack, you go for the top whack $80 (£55 ish UK) so you think you got everything.

Then, they release a slight add on to that pack, which you wont get, having already forked out for the best one and want another $30 for it.

...I'll pass, and actually having bought the gold founders package and overlord PP pakage, and now they do this.... It'll put me off next time if I am honest.

Im sure I am not the only one.

This is utterly ridiculous.

Seriously. It's just silly.

"I bought their product, and then they offered another product for sale. The new product does not damage or reduce the value of the product I bought, but I'm angry anyways because REASONS."

If you don't want the Sabre mechs, don't buy them. You still have your Overlord Pack, and you're still getting everything you were getting before. If you're unwilling to wait till December, suspicious of the game, uninterested in more mediums, or whatever else... Don't buy it. It doesn't hurt you at all.

You can't tell me you honestly believed that the Phoenix Pack mechs would be the last mechs released for a while. Of course they're going to keep selling new mechs, that's their revenue stream. That's how they pay the bills.

[Wintersdark]

Chronojam, on 30 August 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

I think the problem is that he didn't get things he did pay for, he hasn't received the upgrade he's more recently paid for, and they're already trying to upsell him on an upgrade to the upgrade that he won't receive until the end of the year -- even if it's on schedule, and even if the game hasn't been made even worse by then. By the time he gets his fancy medium mechs, for all he knows, they might have added a "ghost weights" system that restricts you from having more than two medium mechs per group.

He hasn't received the upgrade pack yet, of course, because it's delivery date is Oct 15th. He can hardly be upset about that, though, because he knew that when he purchased the pack. All the above, though? Those are all great reasons to not buy the Saber pack.

I get that completely. There's tons of reasons not it. Hell, you could add "He's already got 12 mechs coming, and with reduced c-bills that'll take *ages* to upgrade as it is, so adding 6 more mechs is pointless", or any number of other things.

But he's not saying that. He's saying that somehow PGI is doing something shifty by selling products, which is just completely unreasonable and silly.

Edited by Wintersdark, 30 August 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[Hellcat420]

Wintersdark, on 30 August 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

He hasn't received the upgrade pack yet, of course, because it's delivery date is Oct 15th. He can hardly be upset about that, though, because he knew that when he purchased the pack. All the above, though? Those are all great reasons to not buy the Saber pack.

I get that completely. There's tons of reasons not it. Hell, you could add "He's already got 12 mechs coming, and with reduced c-bills that'll take *ages* to upgrade as it is, so adding 6 more mechs is pointless", or any number of other things.

But he's not saying that. He's saying that somehow PGI is doing something shifty by selling products, which is just completely unreasonable and silly.

they are being shifty by spending more time trying to sell us stuff than trying to complete some of the basic features of this game that were supposed to be implemented almost a year ago, while at the same time adding worthless features that were not supposed to be in the game to begin with and most people still dont want.

[Stowven Quek]

Bought the overlord project since battlemaster was one of my favorite mechs in the bt universe. Though imho battlemaster and locust didnt really look like what was depicted in the original tech 2025 manuals. The thunderbolt and shadow hawk though are a bit similar so thats a plus for me for nostalgic reasons.I understand they had to change the appearance because of copyright issues. But for project saber, griffin and wolverine arent unseen mechs right? They arent even close to what they should look like. Hope they release mechs that are more similar (appearance-wise) to the canon battletech mechs. And yah I agree they should work on cw more rather than keep adding new mechs. A 55 tonner is the same as another 55 tonner except for appearance and weapons port when it comes to armor and speed computations. So its pretty redundant. Profits will follow once they implement a better base game i think.

[Johnny Z]

Stowven Quek, on 30 August 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

Bought the overlord project since battlemaster was one of my favorite mechs in the bt universe. Though imho battlemaster and locust didnt really look like what was depicted in the original tech 2025 manuals. The thunderbolt and shadow hawk though are a bit similar so thats a plus for me for nostalgic reasons.I understand they had to change the appearance because of copyright issues. But for project saber, griffin and wolverine arent unseen mechs right? They arent even close to what they should look like. Hope they release mechs that are more similar (appearance-wise) to the canon battletech mechs. And yah I agree they should work on cw more rather than keep adding new mechs. A 55 tonner is the same as another 55 tonner except for appearance and weapons port when it comes to armor and speed computations. So its pretty redundant. Profits will follow once they implement a better base game i think.

They did an excellent job of making the griffon and wolverine modern. These are weakest troll posts I have seen, bar none. The downers on this topic should be proud, a new low has been reached on the internet forums. lol

Edited by Johnny Z, 30 August 2013 - 02:50 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Hellcat420, on 30 August 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

they are being shifty by spending more time trying to sell us stuff than trying to complete some of the basic features of this game that were supposed to be implemented almost a year ago, while at the same time adding worthless features that were not supposed to be in the game to begin with and most people still dont want.

You realise that it's not either/or, right? That "trying to sell us stuff" does not involve the same teams as implementing the basic features of the game (re: CW)? Regardless, I absolutely guarantee Community Warfare eats orders of magnitude more man hours than putting together a pre-order pack of mechs that were in development anyways.

They are a business, and it's a Free To Play game. MWO is not a charity. If they charged for the box, or a subscription, they sure endless things for sale would be a bit of a *****. But it's not - this is their revenue stream. They require one to stay in business. No revenue, no game at all.

Stowven Quek, on 30 August 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

And yah I agree they should work on cw more rather than keep adding new mechs.

See my reply to Hellcat420 above.

They can't elect to spend less time on new mechs and more time on community warfare. It doesn't work that way. It's simply not an option.

[DisasterMedic]

Just focus! The PGIlliance said they'd waltz through Goonrenity Valley and we choked them with those words. We've done the impossible and that makes us mighty. Just a little while longer and our angels are gonna be soarin' overhead rainin' fire those arrogant cods so you hold. YOU HOLD.

[Stowven Quek]

It's not a troll post. It's an honest opinion. I used to play desktop rpg battletech alot when it first came out. I'm just saying wolverine and griffin models is different from the 3025 technical readouts.

Anyway posted links on what they used to look like. Seems pretty different to me. And im not contesting whether or not theyre did an excellent job making it modern. If you think its excellent then good for you.

Wolverine

Griffin

[Wintersdark]

Stowven Quek, on 31 August 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

It's not a troll post. It's an honest opinion. I used to play desktop rpg battletech alot when it first came out. I'm just saying wolverine and griffin models is different from the 3025 technical readouts.

Anyway posted links on what they used to look like. Seems pretty different to me. And im not contesting whether or not theyre did an excellent job making it modern. If you think its excellent then good for you.

Wolverine

Griffin

You know why that is, right?

PGI has the rights to the intellectual property - the names, loadouts, concept - of the mechs, but does not have rights to the imagery. They must change and modernize them or else they risk potential (if unlikely, in the case of these Dougram mechs) lawsuits.

They need the newly implemented ones to be reminiscent of their originals when possible, but be different enough to avoid any chance of a lawsuit.

Keep in mind, with these things, it doesn't matter if they would win or lose the lawsuit - the cost of defending a potential lawsuit is much too high to risk it. The moment a lawsuit was filed, PGI would lose a massive amount of money no matter what.

All in all, I think they did a marvelous job of keeping the feel of the originals, while creating new art that better fits MWO's style.

[focuspark]

No Recoil, on 29 August 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

that isn't the point man, they JUST released the Phoenix package and now not even a month later this comes out I know that no one is MAKING me buy it but wtf there could have been some sort of deal where we get if free if you bought the overlord package or something this is just a marketing ploy -.-;.

You're right, it's not the point. The point is the employees of PGI need a steady paycheck and in order to supply that, PGI needs to continually create things you want to give them money for. I'm sorry that you already purchased the Phoenix package and now you also want the Sabre package. Nothing stopping you from purchasing both except perhaps a cash flow issue.

Either way, PGI owes you nothing beyond that which you've already paid for.

Hellcat420, on 30 August 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

they are being shifty by spending more time trying to sell us stuff than trying to complete some of the basic features of this game that were supposed to be implemented almost a year ago, while at the same time adding worthless features that were not supposed to be in the game to begin with and most people still dont want.

There could be a solid reason for that... like maybe they need the revenue to pay bills so that can actually complete the "basic features" you mention.

[CtrlAltWheee]

This is the first package I've had the opportunity to buy. I appreciate it.

[GateKeeper York]

Would it be possible to show a split tag (founders and phoenix). A kind of half and half style icon.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Stowven Quek, on 30 August 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

Bought the overlord project since battlemaster was one of my favorite mechs in the bt universe. Though imho battlemaster and locust didnt really look like what was depicted in the original tech 2025 manuals. The thunderbolt and shadow hawk though are a bit similar so thats a plus for me for nostalgic reasons.I understand they had to change the appearance because of copyright issues. But for project saber, griffin and wolverine arent unseen mechs right? They arent even close to what they should look like. Hope they release mechs that are more similar (appearance-wise) to the canon battletech mechs. And yah I agree they should work on cw more rather than keep adding new mechs. A 55 tonner is the same as another 55 tonner except for appearance and weapons port when it comes to armor and speed computations. So its pretty redundant. Profits will follow once they implement a better base game i think.

The Griffin and Wolverine are exactly as unseen as the Battlemaster, the Shadow Hawk and the Thunderbolt, because they all originated in the same anime series, Fang of the Sun Dougram. As a result of the whole FASA/Harmony Gold dustup over the Macross mechs (Wasp, Stinger, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, Rifleman, Archer, Warhammer, Marauder/Marauder II, Ostroc, Ostscout, Ostsol, Longbow and Behemoth/Stone Rhino) FASA made every mech using art originating somewhere other than in-house an "unseen".

Add to that the fact that _every_ mech in MWO has been updated (mostly for the better, and I'm saying that as someone who holds the original 3025 TRO with the unseen mechs as my favourite Battletech book ever) to a more modern and detailed look. I may not like _every_ choice made in the updated versions, but the Griffin is one of the most faithful redesigns compared to the original we've seen yet. It's pretty much awesome, and even the Wolverine is recognizable as such, even if the head isn't quite as perfect as the Griffin's bubblehead. As far as I'm concerned Alex hit it out of the park with these two.